15/2/21 i dinged lvl 60 in shadowlands, i didnt really want to play it, but i had to stop with smoke and snus ( some nicotine issues) i needed something to distract myself.
as a former key pusher i know how to do dungeons in a game, so i do ksm on two BM hunters after one week. one alliance hunter and one horde.
i do very good dps and beat or compete with any class or spec. i slowly climb towards all 19s timed only to find out that i was to late for the game, i wont get a single invite for 20s even with all 19s timed. even at 19s im top dps most of the time if u look at overall dmg at the end of dungeon, as i know how IO works i will always be behind for being late. and u wont get a chanse to show that ur good, ppl dont know im good just because i started late.
but now im hardstuck i got no friends to play with, always been a solopuggeerā¦
THere is only one thing i like with wow, thats pushing keyes in m+. once i stagnate its not fun any more, and this little journy ended alot quicker than i wished for.
IF i were to speculate i think im good enough for as a BM hunter to do 22-23 keys in a pugā¦
But when not given a single chanse, its just depressing.
it is sad to see that the whole aspect of wow is so unfriendly towards new players ppl who started late or had a breakā¦ once u fall behind there is no way backā¦ and u wounder why ppl quit???
ive asked before for some M+ alikee content for SOLO. if its solo than any one can do it and push them self to there limit, ur not hold back by ur peers or what not. noting depends on RNG if ur lucky and have good friends and so on, its YOU and YOUR SKILL ALONE. please add some m+ pushable alike solo contentā¦
I thought rio only gave you score based on dungeons you finished and the time you did them? Didnāt know you got more rio doing them earlier in the expansion.
Itās depressing to see good players feeling left behind. I started gearing rather late on the expac as well and if it was not for my guild to essentially carry me through 1st CN mythic bosses I doubt I would even play at all at this moment. I started doing keys when people had their KSM already and I couldnāt find a group to do 14s despite doubling the DPS of the next personā¦ It was depressing reallyā¦
I donāt know how and/if a solo m+ would work. Too many things to balance or it should be a single customized challenge for each spec as it is physically impossible for some specs to do things others can and vice versa.
Not to mention the flood of tears in the forums of the people failing. I meanā¦ people were crying for TC despite not being necessary or anythingā¦ Imagine if there is some content that actually gives rewards.
Tbh, I donāt know what the solution would be other than trying to push with a stable groupā¦
19s are really bad at this point in expansion, i would say any decent player at this stage does atleast 21-23s timed, so because i joined late im forced to play with actuall bad players instead of good ones, this makes pushing 100 times harder, there is kinda a hidden rule for IO. always be at top, does it make sense now why its very bad to join late???
Solo M+? Nah, thatād be like Horrific Vision. Great for one class, a nightmare for the other.
You know that you talk about like 0.1% of the M+ community here right? Ofc that will be difficult to get into if you donāt have a solid group of buddies.
I mean, they havenāt even cleared all dungeons on +26 atm. So the absolute top is rolling around at 25s. Yet 23s are for any decent player? Odd.
i used to be one of thoe without a premade team, i mean sure i did duo at times. but still i know for a fact that im good enough for it, u can check my prior IO from legion to now. always been doing the best pugable keys. but u have to join from start, and the sad thing is, in inc season ppl will be judged by S1 score in s2ā¦ so once behind always behind. for a player like me, this is not pleasing.
point being not how awesome i am or good or what ever, i dont care if u agree or disagree on that part.
I donāt doubt that you are good enough. You prob are, I take your word for it.
Just saying that at those levels most groups donāt need to pug. So you are trying to get into content that only a very limited amount of players get into, and of that limited group quite a few donāt need pugs.
I honestlty donāt think that this is just a ālate to the partyā issue.
we are talking about pug keys, my complaint is about not getting a invite, so that means a key is up right?. higest ive seen on alliance right up is 23. higest on horde 24 that means u can sign up, and it means it was a pugkey :)ā¦ just saying its normal. and 20s are very normal, now if u cant even get a invite in a 20 with all 19s timed. and ur own keys at 19 and 20 are just filled with ppl who timed a 17. then its time to say BB xD
wellā¦ bye.
Not everyone is as skilled as you unfortunately, and this limit the people signing up. As non meta tank it took me a while to find people that would invite me for 17s with all the 16s done in time.
Yeah, I knowā¦ not impressiveā¦ but not being invited to 17 doesnāt mean I canāt do them, it means my score would stay low for any high key! Applying for an 18 it doesnāt mean Iām not capable, it means nobody invited me to do all 17s to boost my score. Itās not that having all 17s done makes me playing better in an 18. Iām still the same guy.
If I time a 18 it means that I could probably do the same in a 19 with a solid group.
Fact is, score is useful but also a double edge sword.
Plus youāre not Mage or Druid so not meta enough
i dont know your history from m+ if this is first time u timed 16 or 17 in any expansion or season. and if it is, that is impressive. i did not make a post to mock ppl or make ppl feel worse than me, i just tried to explain how i experience the game right nowā¦
the pushing stoped for me and the fun is over. have you ever spent 8 hours straight with not a single invite ?
First time pushing keys as tank. In BFA this was my alt and barely used. And Iām a pug tank so yeahā¦ youāre saying 8 hours straight without an invite? I raise that by falling asleep on the chair signing up for keys, especially 15s with all 14s done back when valors and tank buffs were missing.
EDIT: maybe I should really play next season my least favourite class to get a spot in M+ (DH)
I donāt want to be āthat guyāā¦ but you are literally aiming for content that only a few percent of players are ever going to do. Most players never even get KSM. Most who do settle at 15 for their weekly vault. Lack of pugs at M+20 really isnāt the reason people quit the game
Youāve entered the competitive top tier of difficulty. Most who can go that high, will do so with a regular group, so youāre up against not only being a non-meta class in a pug world, but also a massive shortage of players actually doing those keys.
The sensible thing is to look for/organise a regular key group so you donāt have to sit around for hours hoping for a pug that can actually offer a key youāre interested in.
As for solo M+ type contentā¦ I wouldnāt be against the idea of infinitely scaling solo instances, but it does seem a bit against the spirit of WoW. It is a multiplayer game, you are encouraged and expected to make some friends along the way and run content with themā¦
I guess Endless Corridors might have been the ticket, but it never showed, and probably wonāt have any actual rewards even if it does. Not to mention it will just be Torghast RNG where skill isnāt actually a factor.
Why not take your time to run your own key with people of similar skill to you? Certainly there must be other players in situations like yours.
I also think a lot of personal success in M+ is networking, if you enjoyed playing with someone just ask to add them, eventually youāll have a full list of bnet with good players you can push with.
This. OP is not struggling due to joining late, theyāre struggling due to being far, far ahead of the average player, to the point of doing content levels that most will never even want to do.
Most players just want a weekly 15 or four for their vault
Can confirm, only 13% of profiles got KSM by this point in time. Thatās still more than 1 in 10 players and itās still a lot as far as numbers go. But itās not acheiveably by the majority of players.
