There is no agreeing to disagree when it comes down to facts. Dottie is the last person on this board that I’d agree with, but if he’s right he’s right.
Don’t like your leveling experience getting changed? Turn off the buff, now it’s exactly the same for you as it was before joyous journey. Facts. Let’s agree to agree.
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I see, if that’s your facts, that’s ok. I agree to disagree with you, if you don’t, that’s also ok. I wouldn’t refer to them as anything but a well known troll on these forums from long ago; albeit they’ve not been at much compared to then.
But it’s not a singleplayer game. That’s the only way what you’re saying would add up. Since a lot of new game singleplayers are stupidly always online, if Classic was like that, then what you said I would totally agree with, but it’s not a single player type game.
Like you’re doing again and again? Your list is just not correct. And yes I’ll tell you why, objectively.
is in every part of the game so can’t be contained in one activity. Literally WoW is a story driven game because everything you do in game serves a purpose to further the story. Well maybe not you crafting a bag or robe 
WoW is a game so it tells it’s story through the various activities. It’s not a book or a movie.
In what way is this an activity? It’s part of the game yes, but it’s not an activity. Raids are environments too.
Which is also not an activity but something that is gained by doing activities, such as raiding at max level. You said it yourself: ‘through levelling’, from your perspective (casual :p, joking ofc)
DING! You got the first activity! Questing is a legit activity and playstyle.
Also very much an activity, though the past years less so for players who have spent 10+ years in the game. Still valid, so that’s 2!
I’ll give you a pass for this because in my book it’s just pvp but I can see open world pvp, bg’s and arena as (slightly) different. So that’s 5.
Yup!
One and the same so both count as one. Fishing to get that number up or to farm fish is the same as gathering ore/herbs
Not active all the time but yeah it counts.
This one is not an activity but a reward from doing activities. Aside from the odd ‘hug a squirrel’ most achievements come from quests, raiding, collecting and professions.
The big one.
So that’s 9 if I’m counting right. Butttt not all activities are evenly deep so it’s not an even spread. But even then raiding is a little over 10% of stuff to do ingame, and I bet you know what blizz thinks is more important.
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So with that in mind nobody should be against RDF right? You could just not use it.
Again the sour/sad part about Joyous Journey is simply that it goes against importance of the World which Blizzard stated to be one of core pillars of Classic. Yet same people that will cite the pillars in debates like RDF let this one slide… Why?
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whats your point with this? No WoW is not a single player game, and one person choosing to level faster than other at this point in the game’s cycle is literally a non- issue, only if you want to make noise to make noise.
If this was at launch, well it’s a different story, but it’s not.
You’re acting like some people are getting a free legendary in the mail that gives them a huuuge advantage while others get a copper coin.
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My point is that this buff affects everyone who logs into the game, whether directly by seeing someone level multiple levels in mere hours, or just how it’s seen by other players and how those players gained the buff - but not those that jump at the opportunity to quickly get another alt levelled. If it was just an online singleplayer game that they added a buff to, that players could just turn off for their session so they don’t have to play with/see it, then the reasoning you give about just disabling the buff would be very fair.
It has nothing to do with people getting a huge advantage if they choose to utilise the buff or not, it’s how it affects the game.
I swear Blizzard have done this stuff in Wrath just to cause drama.
So? How is that disadvantageous for me? Good for him? Life is like this aswell. I work in a bank and I see 20 year olds with 200k+ euros in their accounts, can make me sad as hell only if I let it.
Don’t even know what you’re talking about lol. Blizz enabled this, nobody but you is overthinking this as much.
I have yet to read from you how this breaks the game. See my response to you in the other thread. The playerbase has broken the game down enough by themself.
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This isn’t real life, or the many things wrong with real life that aren’t meant to be fixed.
Exactly, where did the buff come from? Nowhere within the mystical world, you just logged in and it was there, this wildly OP xp buff. I know you don’t appreciate or understand how it’s seen by some others and what it means, and there’s nothing else I can really say about it.
I’m not doing it again. What you mean with what you just said, is that you haven’t read anything that YOU think is a valid reason, not that you haven’t read me saying.
Fair enough. But I do think you take this ‘issue’ way too serious. Like I said to you in the other thread: take a step back. Like you said so yourself, it’s a game. Why get so worked up about it? Is that worth it? If it is, well you do you.
Take care dude!
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Just an issue I feel is serious about the game from my end is all. Similar to what I mentioned on the other post, it’s not like I’m spending precious personal time saying about it - although I do in some way - it’s very frustrating to see the same sort of things happen all over again, which I was expecting as the ole Classic experience, just not as soon as this.
You too, I’m sure we’ll cross again
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Defines RPG…
Is advised RPG’s exist on a spectrum and can vary…
Moves the goal posts to suit agenda because of course MMORPG’s aren’t also on a spectrum right…
I genuinely don’t think he is trolling, I honestly think he is either to stubborn to admit that he may be wrong or to dumb to see it…
Uh oh… You mentioned facts, he doesn’t believe in those…
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Oh you’re back, saying things no one said or did from a small excerpt of text. Thought you said byeeeeeee?
Mmhm, so what’s my agenda and what posts are moved? Can’t wait to hear this, although I won’t be waiting. MMORPGs have a synonymous and well established set of features to be a MMORPG, not open to be interpreted just because someone wants it easier or more simple, because it’s called play another genre.
Wrong about what? What am I saying? We’ve already went through all this, you’re here to arrogantly and selfishly seek debate, and by extension of that, to troll. I won’t give it to you. I thought you left, but you’re back being passive aggressive, you just can’t stay away.
I did, but then you said more dumb stuff and I couldn’t resist the temptation…
This is a good question, I honestly don’t think you even know anymore, maybe you just want to be salty at the world? Who knows.
Didn’t you say that about RPG’s too? Oh, you were wrong about those weren’t you, they have variations… I wonder… Nooooo… Could MMORPG’s also have variations?
God forbid anyone should want to engage in debate on a public forum! Whatever was I thinking? I think you need to look up the definition of forum…
I really can’t, I see a new post from you full of more nonsense and contradictions and it’s just like crack to a crack addict. I would literally sell my own mum just to be able to respond to your crazy ideas about RPG’s and MMORPG’s, it’s like you think you invented them!
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Ok, how is your feelings? Does saying dumb make what you think seem correct? Whatever the hell you were thinking anyway, we didn’t even cover that since you were so into over analysing and looking for some structured breakdown of “facts” and evidence for yourself.
We know for sure who doesn’t know, yourself.
I clearly told you I don’t want a backwards debate with you to satisfy your thirst for debate - did you listen? No, because you’re selfish. I discuss things with many here, but you in particular of them all so clearly just wanted to break it down into some textbook process you learned on a youtube video or at school, except to just ignore what you didn’t personally see as valid. These are feedback forums, not just forums - discussion forums. And before you say otherwise, go in-game, go to give feedback in support, and it links to right to this forum. GMs also direct you here.
Well I’ll you right now, stop quoting me, stop replying to me with…whatever you’re doing, as all you’re doing is trolling now on top lying and making up things no one said which is a good summary of your posts in this thread. Don’t like it? Don’t reply to me.
Yup, me and the rest of the poor people you’ve been arguing with on this forum.
You know that a discussion is an exchange of ideas right? The forums are here so people can disagree and talk about their opposing views, don’t like it? Maybe submit private feedback using the in-game system where nobody can disagree with you.
I haven’t lied once, I have taken the quotes directly from your posts so if you disagree with the quotes… I think you need to look in the mirror…
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I know you don’t listen to anything but yourself, but I’ll say again I’m discussing, not arguing. You’re trying to blatantly argue and debate.
God I never knew that, I’m so glad you informed me, I was totally in the dark…and I don’t care if people disagree with me, maybe you should take something from that. These are feedback forums, you can think whatever you want about them because it’s irrelevant, and like I said, I don’t care if someone disagrees.
Now I know you didn’t type that with a straight face.
Its kinda in the name… “Wrath of the Lich King Classic Discussion”
So prove it to me. You have access to everything I have said to you on these forums, I don’t even think any of my posts have been edited. Find me just 1 lie that I have said and I will leave.
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They’re feedback forums. Take it, leave it, or don’t, I don’t care.
You think I’m spending more time on you? You won’t leave because if I do that, why would I believe you, and I’ve no interest in entertaining you further than a few lines.
I mean, if I have lied as often as you imply it should be easy. But of course, you know I haven’t lied so now you make an excuse as to why you don’t need to bother because you don’t want to make yourself look anymore stupid than you already have.
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What does this even mean? What was me?