It’s almost like you do more dmg than hitting with your staff than endlessly casting VT xD
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You are so contradictory, 2 days ago I said retri is a support class and shouldn’t have so much damage and you literally answer me “Omg support class dude wrath is gone “
You are Ridicolous I have no other words
It’s not “aoe dispell” It removes 1 same effect from all players, not EVERY SINGLE DEBUFF. Know your game plz
So aoe dispel of the same effect. What’s the difference?
Very big difference. AOE dispel would mean you wipe the group of everything, which would be stupidly OP. You just remove 1,2,3 of the same effect from the individual on the other allies that are close to you as well. Definitely not the same, and it only removes “magic”. The hunters that cry can play the crystal trap and avoid the dispel, it’s a counter mechanism and is absolutely fine. Now is a bit better since judgment has 2 charges, but it’s fine. Most of rets PvP talents are gutted anyways, most are useless and others deleted. If they removed that we would be left with nothing
On top of that, holy paladin is garbage tier since forever. Gutting it further won’t do any good since its literaly the worst healer atm.
Holy Paladins don’t play with it anyway as they have have aoe dispel themselves. And yes it’s aoe dispel since if it removes Flame Shock I lose 7 sec of applying it and Judgement is just a part of your rotation.
It has little to no counterplay for classes that to magical cc like with jungle it’s a real mess for us to make a clean go and get full value of a full trap. Even with cross cc it is really hard because he can just press a button in a millisecond and the go it’s wasted it’s a braindead design
It’s not like fast MD if you have good timing and cold blood you can easily interrupt it but judgment… idk man
Dispelling flameshock does 100k dmg to the group and a 2 sec cc, its not even a big deal it has a punishment method just like UA from locks. You dispel it at your own peril
cries in Shadow Priest
Then tell me how suddenly with dispels my damage drops by 1/3. Control of Lava doesn’t deal as much as it did in SL. Anyway what about Traps, Polymorphs, Fears, VT or even Immolates. It’s either removing big chunk of damage or win condition in form of CC.
It is when you remove 1 guy from the game passively and when the guy has to either afk or melee hit to do dmg.
Ele is busted with or without the dispells. On the other hand any healer wont just dispell your flame shock randomly puting their dispel on an 8 sec cooldown for when its actually needed. It is a damage drop, but it’s what its called a “counter measure” and something should have a means to counter something. It’s how every class works compared to another. And maybe I can bet my left nut it’s not even 1/3 of the damage that drops from it, maybe 1/4 at best. Then it means you actually have to cast spells rather than jump around the arena and spam meat ball cannons. Either way you have stormkeeper and icefury to 100-0 someone in a few globals. I would say it’s a skill issue, not a class issue.
Firstly I’d advise you to make some research before you type any nonsenses again. Yes it’s 1/3. Your flawed math doesn’t change the reality. And yes healers dispel it on CD - I’ll tell you even more many Warlocks play Imp Grimoire of Sacrifice to help dispel them. Discs play 2x dispel and H Paladins play Cleanse the Weak or whatever it’s please don’t speak if you have no idea.
And how should I even comment this Stormkeeper and Icefury thing. You have 1 one or the other. First of all Stormkeeper got nerfed and it’s only dangerous on the proc. You won’t even kill someone with Stormkeeper itself atm and Icefury build isn’t even about Icefury. It’s about all the talents leading to it: 150 Maelstrom and Maelstrom generation so you can press Lava Burst → Earth Shock without casting to kite meeles more effective. Icefury is worth pressing but most of the times it’s to bait kicks from players like you or just to add some dmg. It’s not a burst window or won condition by any means.
It sounds funny when someone who plays Ret says that current Ele is busted. Spec literally doesn’t have a reliable CC and two def CDs where one is 1,5 min. CD and second is 5 min. (Earth Elemental). It has to do deal a lot of damage as it’s the only win condition for Ele. Ret is better in every aspect than Elemental besides mobility since 10.0.7.
I played ret whjen it was garbage and I play it now regardless of its state. Im not a fotm reroller with no life to make 1000 alts. Either way what I play is irelevant to your point. You just want the game adjusted to your own needs rather than getting better at it.
When jungle trapstuns healer, ret gets the stun from the feral. Same for tag.
And scream is on 30 sec cd, sanct - 45.
It has been like that for years and good tag/jungle can win. Bad ones go to forums to cry.
You can also cover the trap with mark. You can also play diamond trap, esp in 10.1 when you will lose 1 second only.
Tell me how can I get better when you shut down my damage with just randomly doing your rotation. I have 3 sec CD on Flame Shock and I need to have it on the target or my Lava Burst does less than 50% of it’s normal damage (Elemental 250% crit modifier). I need to use Lava Bursts to get Master of the Elements. Also you can say this about me but what about Deepdamp, what about AWC tournament players asking for the talent removal and other 3k exped players saying this. Do you also ask them to “get better”. Talent wasn’t the problem before Ret wasn’t able to use Dispel that frequent. Currently it dispels more frequent than healers. Please don’t make yourself look like a 
I know you got your first Elite but do you even feel satisfaction with playing current Ret? Even after nerfs it has the best utility and defence in the game by far. It shuts down most of the caster specs. I’m curious if you’d be happy if I’d Disarm Ret with every Earth Shock. “You still have Final Verdict so you can deal damage” - that’s how your explanations sound to me.
It’s hilarious to see all this compium from most of the forum Rets. There are actually few reasonable ones.
Stun is 4 sec you mean you can get value of just 4 sec of the trap If you don’t kill him in 4 sec and he doesn’t have trinket bubble ecc ecc ecc
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You can’t press FV when disarmed. It was nerfed in DF.
Judgment is on 8 sec cd, flame shock - 3.
He has to judge you to dispell, not the other target.
Also you would like to listen what ferals/assas thing about survival hunter’s bandage.
Or what warriors like in frost mages, esp in 10.1 future.
Literally everyone complains that we want to go away from one shots and killing in few sec and this guy says “you should kill on that 4 sec Trap and Stun window”.