Yes the only thing I wrote wrong in all my 20 comments in here was
“Feral is underrepresented in 1800+, 2100+, 2400+” when I should have written “Feral is underrepresented in 1800+, 2100+”. And later I told you to stop focusing on the “2400+” bracket all the time cause that bracket is “0.1%” of my whole argument because there is barely 100 ppl in total in that bracket. Just drop it already. What you are doing is called nitpicking, 99% of my comment still stands, but you are so butthurt about that one word.
PS - we did agree with you, we even wrote that ok “90%” of my comment is still right so stop focusing on the “10%”, but you just couldn’t you had to be an ahole for 15 more comments about it.
PS2 - wont be responding to you anymore. If you wanna continue the conversation keep it on topic. I really don’t care about you nitpicking our comments and I will not be responding to anymore attacks or provocation from you.
Ah yes, if you had accepted once you wrote wrong then it would have been fine. But instead you went defending over and over trying to lead it somewhere I didnt care about.
If you mean Alessa making fun of what I write, sure. And its not even 90% if so either since 3 different rating brackets is 33% each. And considering you only use statistics for 1800+ its 66% wrong and 33% right but because you are nice we could say 34% so you get that extra wasted 1. Shocking with math sometimes right?
So I am not allowed to talk about things you say without it being “nitpicking” but you are allowed to call out “waste of time”, “cave troll” and such things without it being attacks or provocations. Hm. Sure. Goodluck!
No to be even more accurate my comment is 98.999710061% accurate cause that is how many players we have in 1800+ and 2100+ when compared to 2400+. So I was wrong only about 1.000289939% of the playerbase. So my over simplification of saying I was right in 90% or 99% is a lot closer than your 66%, 33%, 34%. Shocking with math sometimes right? Do you not see how dumb this type of nitpicking is?
“So I am not allowed to talk about things you say without it being “nitpicking” but you are allowed to call out “waste of time”, “cave troll” and such things without it being attacks or provocations. Hm. Sure. Goodluck!”
You nitpicking that I was wrong about 1.000289939% of the playerbase is a waste of time and yes you pointing out that I was wrong about 1.000289939% is the very definition of nitpicking.
Are you gonna nitpick now that in my last comment I said I wouldn’t be responding anymore? Let me get ahead of you. I decided I’ll try to clarify my stance one last time, so no need for you to nitpick now that I said I won’t respond and yet I did respond.
EDIT: For the ppl not smart enough to do the math. We have currently around 27000 players above 1800 rating (this includes people above 2100 and 2400). We have currently around 270 players in 2400 rating. This means that around 1% of players above 1800 are in 2400 - 270 / 27000. If you aint smart enough to do basic math and understand where the 1% comes from stop talking about stats. Please nobody listen to Yojeong, he ain’t here to actually talk about the issue or stats, he’s here to be an ahole and he can’t accept that actually he is wrong here and yet he attacks others for not accepting their wrongs. Hypocrite much?
I answered your entire post and thats now nitpicking. Great! What is not nitpicking in your mind?
In what way, is 1 rating bracket (1800+) more statistics correct than 3 (1800+, 2100+ and 2400+) when they all have different statistics? Thats quite weird, almost like you make up some numbers here.
The only different part for your mind is one having more players. Thats it. It does not automatically give you higher %.
You are trying to say 1800+ rating got better % than 2100+ and 2400+ because of how much of a playerbase is inside it? If we are talking about amount of playerbase statistics then its entirely different compared to spec representation in rating brackets. You are really trying to change how they represent themselves.
Lets say the amount of playerbase in these brackets are:
1800+ = 60k
2100+ = 20k
2400+ = 1k
It does not automatically make the 1800+ bracket 99% correct when it comes to spec representation over all the 3 rating brackets because you dont combine them as one when u bring up all 3 of them. This is not nitpicking, its me making it so other people do not get mislead by your comment on spec representation above a certain rating.
But lets wait and see how much you are going to ignore what I wrote and make something up again.
Edit:
He seems to believe the exact same statistics shows the exact same spec representation at different ratings.
So according to him
means feral is the worst spec representation in these rating brackets:
1800+
2100+
2400+
Not only from 1800+ but also from the starting point of 2100+ and 2400+.
And because hes right in 1 of the 3 rating brackets he calls himself 99% correct.
And now hes trying to make it sound like hes never talked about 2100+ or 2400+ when thats literally what he stated to begin with.
Go into drustvar → Leaderboards + → Stats → Solo Shuffle Stats → You can see NA/EU, pick EU → You can see 1800+ - 2100+ - 2400+ rating brackets. Press each of them at a time.
If they all show the exact same statistics between eachother then hes right.
If they all show different statistics then I am right. “how many players are in those rating brackets had nothing to do with the start of the argument”
Feral is also A tier, and the comparison makes no sense, that would be like saying yo whazz out dps me, nerfe sub rogue, i think in this case a r1 rogue would do 20-30% more dmg than you. [im also not that high, but at my Peak time i Played allot against Tjferal, and he out dps me mostly by 33% overall in a 5 Minute game 3v3
and if you think feral out dps every spec so easily, then play one, and show us the broken dmg, in reallity, u wont kill anything without clone spam, and the Feral Frenzy machine gun It’s like you play it safe and play around until incarnation is ready again, or you just clone spam and kill with frenzy tec
and well, as feral you have to play as aggressive as possible against Sub Rogues, because he cant tank the Pressure for a long time, and it´s recommended to kill him before he have annother Shadow blades rdy.
so yeah, like i said, sub rogue doesnt win with overall pressure like warri, he win with just a good shadowdance & shadow blades go, while your “priest” Mate fear the opponent Healer, but i think u know that.
And u cant Facetank everything as Feral maybe in Shadowlands season 1-2 and Legion, but not since Dragonflight
Try to facetank a Assa rogue, warri, dh, ww monk, gl with that, they out pve you lol
which priest? name? and if the Shadow priest getting trained by 2 Meeles ofc
And Feral dmg is weird, i wouldnt say he does no dmg, the only season who feral did really zero dmg was Legion Season 2 and Bfa Season 2
The Problem with Feral is, Incarnation is just Ret Wings like it was in Shadowlands, Incarnation is after the 2 or 3 one Just a OVERKILL Feral dmg feels in Incarnation way to good, while out of Incarnation, it feels like u do Zero dmg without Spaming clone on totems for the Feral frenzy proc
And Feral lost also his Regrowth heal, and Yseras gift, + Inca roar, for a 100% Clone
so in my case, i wouldnt say Feral is bad, or the dmg is bad, but not as good as it was in sl/legion/bfa i think for feral df is the worst xpac gameplay wise
what I want? that people like you understand the fact that you have no right to compare yourself to an R1 player, when it comes to Dps numbers
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/jVOUNMtX4gY
I mean this Rogue Deleted Snupy, and he isnt even a r1 just a Elite rogue, imagine what Avizura or Avidance can do
And i will Make it Clear, i DONT SAY, that Feral Does no Dmg, or is giga “Bad” but i cant get it when Peoples act like OH FERAL DOES SO MUCH DMG AND More THAN ME, this Class IS SO OP
when peoples think that Feral is in df OP or does so much dmg, than these guys havent Played Cata/mop/Legion/Sl While Feral also had a strong toolkit
Also, Feral has to do a lot more to make his damage work at all, same goes for Sub compared with a Warri, Dh Boomy, Destro etc.
For my part im Fine with Feral, the only thing what i hate is No incap roar anymore, and Regrowth isnt worth a global, thats just bad game designe, and i think everyone can Agree
I like the Fact, that u can Take Incarnation Again, but i Rather to have a weaker version of Incarnation, but More Sustain Dmg Than having Ret Shadowlands Wings
So yeah, Feral need´s a rework “again” lol, or Just a Buff on Heal, Dmg is Fine and getting buffed Again, maybe a overbuff, i Rather to get a regrowth buff
Feral
All damaging abilities increased by 3%.
Ferocious Bite damage increased by 5%.
Dire Fixation now causes your attacks to deal 8% increased damage to your fixated target
And again we have annother Problem, u Spoke about “these Feral players are crying”
i read barely this Thread tbh, because most of what I read was just flame and not constructive
But what I’ve often seen is that especially not so high players complained about the class most likely, especially dmg wise (and not heal wise while this is the main issue LOL)
but to a certain point i can understand them, i think feral was never be more as beginner/noob unfriendly as in dragonflight, especially because of the big survivalbility lose, and the fact, that u have to use your Incarnation rightly, the secound one atleast, im not talking about the opener Incarnation, because the Incarnation is your only Kill opportunity in most scenarios
so this means, this class forgives you even fewer mistakes than in Wod/Legion/Bfa /Shadowlands, and there we come to a point, do you want to make Classes for only 2% of the Playerbase, so some Peoples getting Frustrated, and Quit instead. and in the current state its the worst thing what can happend to this game, when more players quit.
i have 2 Friends (Feral) Players Who quit (most likely Duelist Range) because of the Deflation in 2v2 and because of the df Feral gameplay, they dont Play it, because they have no Fun.
Feral also was a “dps-Support class” but now its a squischy dmg bot class most likely.
Na, the Druid Dev left the Team with Dragonflight, and now Druid is in the Hands of Clueless Dh devs, thats why.
Yep, and Nerf overperforming Specs, how simple is that, but not for an Blizz dev i guess.
People Ask for a Regrowth Buff
Blizz: Okay
Feral
All damaging abilities increased by 3%.
give me a time machine man
For me it´s not fun to play, because it is Weak, but because your support doesn’t play such a big role anymore, and i also feel like a glass cannon, who does m+ in 3s and Solo shuffle
-inca too strong, but sustain kinda weak
-Regrowth heals for nothing
-cyclone kinda outdated, especially with the roar remove
-Normal Druid tree Pathing is just bad
Is also Better in to a Caster Meta especially when your heal isnt that good, u can avoid way more dmg.
Yeah, I hate the shapeshifter part of druid too. Why even play druid if you just want to be in one form?
We got bear and… healing?
PotP is pretty good, we just cant go there because we desperately need Astral Influence. Its called choice, you can go PotP if you want to be a single target kitty.
Literally only the 5% regrowth damage reduce is never taken, the rest is picked and playable for Feral, not PvP exclusively but PvE, and since this Game is primarily around PvE thats more than you could ask for.
No, Powershifting is too strong, and even something similiar to it would be too strong.
You literally only listed things that would tremendously buff the class. A better core tree with more points to use, Incarn/Berserk that takes a lot less points to use, etc.
It is though? Its really really good versus other melees, especially with Strength of the Wild.
This is just a personal claim and sure…? But as I said above I was linking that video to show HOW a feral WITH NO PETS could still do 40% more or the same damage as a rogue AND priest…?
Haha man I understand you have some issues understanding things but that shouldn’t make you lash out at others…
I am literally quoting what I was referring to and you STILL cannot understand …
Please try to read through the things before you comment…
I think what he was trying to say is that there is a reason to why your opinions are semi-odd. Most likely because you don’t have the experience yet… Which is fine but you wouldn’t go up to a doctor and self-diagnose just because you read something on google would you?
I was saying (and showing) that the claim that ferals do more damage is “just due to pet / padding damage” is NOT always the case and gave an example of where it wasn’t the case. HOW is that not a valid statement? “Well he is R1 so thats different…” Yes he is R1 but it shows that you CAN do that…?
I haven’t said that either like what kind of argument is this?
None of this is something I have said…? All I claimed was that this idea behind padding damage or the statistics provided isn’t factual. Feel free to show me a game where feral is doing zero damage compared to the other dps in a game with zero pets…?
Sub + disc in the video I linked…
I was SHOWING that YOU CAN do more damage as a feral without padding damage. Can you show me a case where feral does ZERO relative damage vs people that has no pets?
It is not hard to “delete” someone especially if they cannot react / do something about it? In that case (altho hard to see) it seems like the rogue popped every offensive cd and snupy did not skin / bear and was in a full kidney? Try to live with nothing against a ret in a full hoj and tell me that: “THATS BROKEN”… That is just cd trading…?
And I understand that there are too many people calling things broken etc but I am not even arguing against or for that. All I came to say was that the use of statistics like that and claims without facts are wrong…
It should not require 4 talents to be good. Two talents sure, but 4 is just too much.
Yeah, I hate the shapeshifter part of druid too. Why even play druid if you just want to be in one form?
Shapeshifting should feel good. You wanna go quickly bear when you need to offtank, cat for DPS. Caster form when you wanna spam regrowth heals. This type of shapeshifting gameplay is good. Being forced to leave form to buff your healer and revive your tank is clunky cause you lose DMG for helping out your team and you’ll die before you get rebirth off making it a useless spell in 90% of situations. Bala can cast them in form, Guardian can cast them in form, why is feral the only spec that can’t cast any of these while in form? Is feral the only spec that is a “shapeshifter”? Or is it the only one that has clunky shapeshifting for no reason?
We got bear and… healing?
Entering bear form means you are dealing no DMG. Also regen heal is less than 15% of your HP. With dampening probably less than 10%. And you need to waste 2 GCD for it and you need to stay in form for 3+sec. Even without dampening that is a lot of wasted time. Like I said before, making regen work like roar getting rid of one of the wasted GCD would already make it feel a lot better.
PotP is pretty good, we just cant go there because we desperately need Astral Influence. Its called choice, you can go PotP if you want to be a single target kitty.
No it ain’t, there is a reason why all meta builds don’t take PotP. Look at the top 50 feral druid in solo shuffle. We have only 2 of them take PotP. If it were “really good” wouldn’t we have more than 2 ppl in the top 50 take it? You need to deal close to 2mln DMG just for it to stack up to full ONCE giving you a 70k heal that is reduced by dampening. So in reality you’l be able to cast it maybe 2-3 times at max in a game and you’ll get in total 100k healing for it. After doing the math it’s not surprising that nobody actually takes it. If it were not effected by dampening maybe it would see some usage, but if you need to stack something for half a game just to get it’s value cut in half by dampening of course you’ll never use it.
Literally only the 5% regrowth damage reduce is never taken, the rest is picked and playable for Feral, not PvP exclusively but PvE, and since this Game is primarily around PvE thats more than you could ask for.
Primal claws, Tireless Energy, Moment of clarity, Protective Grove, Relentless Predator, Cat’s Curiosity, Ashmanes Guidance, Unbridled Swarm, Lunar Inspiration, Convoke. All of these see either no usage in PvP or very limited usage depending on do you prefer say 1 point in Omen or 1 point in Tireless.
Make forms have their own GCD separate from our skills
This is not powershifting… All the forms would still be on GCD, but a separate one from your normal skills, allowing you to do say Bear Form into instant regen. Powershifting is when there is no CD allowing you to create a macro that would instantly remove cat form and get you back into cat form in a split second. With this approach you would still need that 1.5sec when you leave cat form to get back into cat form.
You literally only listed things that would tremendously buff the class.
I literally did not, just like I literally did not say to bring powershifting back, but for some reason you claim I did? Some of these changes could result in a buff, but most of them require a redesign of the tree. It’s only obvious that if we get 6 more talents in the class tree that there will probably need to be a bigger redesign of the tree in general to not make it OP. It’s obvious that if all the capstones get reworked they would need to be done in a way to not make it too OP. It’s only obvious that if berserk gets pushed down into 1-2 talents it would need to be a little bit weaker so that the new talents can make up that difference in a different way. All of this is pretty obvious atleast for me, don’t know why it’s not obvious for you.
It is though? Its really really good versus other melees, especially with Strength of the Wild.
Again look at the top meta builds, look at the top 50 feral players. Nobody takes it for a reason, the reason is it’s weak for feral and it has a huge 5min CD for what? A 10% heal by using regen and forcing you to stay even longer in bear form? A 10k heal increase on regrowth?
Its true its a skill issue because feral misses the baseline things other classes have and its cooldowns are nothing of the power level other specs and classes have, therefore requires insane skill which = years of practice.
And honestly I play feral for around 8-10 years not sure, but im totally fed up with its clunky BS,and apperantly for the first time in 10 expansions im not fit for casual rating, i barely after 1k games managed to get to 2.1.
This thread is a little chaotic, because when i started it i was really frustrated so I could not properly communicate my points which i do own up to.
Feral is not weak, its definetely a skill issue but the class is clunky and no class should require 5s of years of experience and milions of addons, this generally goes for all classes tbf.
Innervate doesnt force Bears to go out, Boomies too.
Rebirth doesnt force Bears to go out , Boomies too.
So i suppose thats what he was trying to say, and its a valid point.
And very similar to what i was trying to express,
when it comes to any other class we always approach it with comparison to the playstyle and what other classes or/and specs of this caliber have, but when it comes to feral we dont do that.
Why is that?
I mean, same point.
Armor RN doesnt really do anything, on top of it Bear Armor aint that great unless you run Ironfur and we both know points for that are … not gonna be wasted on it.
Just a reminder that moonkin walks with bear armor and doesnt need to exit it uppon healing amongst other things, which compensates kind of for not having instant heals.
And our healing is really not that great. For the most part you dont even run Swiftmend and Regrowth and Frenzied healing , we both agreed earlier are very low.
Kek. First you agree that Regrowth is low. Now you say this. I am really of the opinion that you’re here just to disrupt discussions.
This is not the first time you contradict yourself or/and lack structure in your arguments, if we can call them arguments, they’re more like statements.
I agree with this, but can you also agree that there shouldnt be unremovable slows, like channels similar to Fists Of Fury ?
Definitely not 2 Talents to have a CD reduce, it causing an additional very strong bleed and also being turned into Incarnation.
Are we playing the same Game? And why are you even mentioning both Innervate and Rebirth, of whom you barely use the first and never the latter in PvP? Position better for Rebirth and dont use Innervate in Incarnation and you’ll be fine. Energy Pooling is a thing, you know that yes? You have more than enough downtime as a Feral to fill these globals with utility. Same case when getting kited in Arena.
This is not true though, even more so going into DF. With Brutal Slash being usable in Bear and if you want to spec it, or if the super duper pros at high ratings pick it again, Strength of the Wild, Bear damage is far from “no damage”, its very respectable.
This is not a PvP exclusive game? All these talents give or take Cat’s Curiosity & Moonfire are played. Primal Claws gets reworked into Dire Fixation so that’s another picked 100% mandatory slot for PvE ST and PvP. The only talent that really should get a look at here is Tireless Energy and Protective Growth.
Balance are casters so it makes sense, and to demand that Bear as a Tank forces you out of its form for Innervate and Rebirth is a legit joke. I mean they could change this as an extremely minor QoL but I absolutely never felt it troublesome to begin with.
And Boomkin also has no Survival Instincts or instant Roots or one of the best Stuns in the entire Game tied with Kidney Shot. Also Armor does matter, I dont know why you so terribly insist on armor being so irrelevant nowadays. Is Armor as good as it was like in Wrath currently on Classic? No! Still, pre-bearing a Rogue or a Warrior makes you extremely more durable, and that is also due to armor.
Theres nothing wrong with FoF giving an slow. FoF was always a stun prior to BfA iirc and if it was removable everyone would just walk out of their disruption & damage tool.
Regrowth is alright with HotW and where it should be normally when playing PotP. On its own its just bad. I dont think I said Regrowth is ever not bad or that feral healing doesnt need a buff though. But even the hot is lowkey good with Adaptive Swarm + the 20% from Verdant Heart. Atleast when dampening isnt at 80%.
Wait, arent balance = druids ? and druids meaning they gotta shapeshift ? And regrowth being of healer school as well as Rebirth and innervate ?
Did you just shat on your own argument again ?
Listen here man, during wrath we didnt had every class doing a mix of spell damage, aka abilities that completely ignore armor.
Rogues didnt do shadow damage and ignore 35% armor too amongst many other thing like the fact that casters werent so insane.
If bear form is gonna be counted in as the defensive toolkit, it should give way more armor as this armor is nothing exception for any other class, and you literally have to stop dpsing when you go bear + a global cooldown, not that the global cooldown is a problem.
Shamans got this 5 % x3 per sec dmg reduction to all dmg stacking each second while they’re in ghost wolf. That could be a good start. You know i like to compare power level, shamans armor is as much as bear form , them going in ghost form causes them to stop all action just like us, but they stack a buff of 15% dmg reduction for a 3 seconds.
I hope you see where i am going with this.
Theres a lot wrong with Fists Of Fury and again you’re cherry picking some irrelevent shlt and i get really annoyed.
I said, abilities like Fists Of Fury cause you to permanently be slowed, thats okay, its fine, however the slow remains even if you shapeshift/powershift or shift out of form, which really goes against the design of ferals removing all slow effects when they shapeshift, there other spells that do this too, among them are other channel spells that work like that.
again classes should work in comparison to one another, where did you saw another class rellying on so much overlaping on CDs to selfheal or hybrid offheal ?
It makes no sense for Balance to not be able to use all Nature spells when they can already use all of them in Form.
If I was the Druid Designer I’d make us do shapeshifting a lot more than the one form for all nonsense we’ve had going for too long.
But as I said, its such a minor QoL that its nearly completly irrelevant.
I do, you want Bear Form to either have absurdly high amounts of armor (which it doesnt need) or an flat damage reduction, which it doesnt need.
There is not, FoF is a joke and so is WW currently. You cant shift it because it would make their entire PvP Talent useless versus anything that can remove slows!
EXACTLY how it shouldnt be! The Game does not need more homogenization! We need more unique spells and cooldowns and not everyone has a immunity, everyone has damage reduce, everyone has the same stuff.
Definitely not 2 Talents to have a CD reduce, it causing an additional very strong bleed and also being turned into Incarnation.
Can you read? Cause I’m thinking that you can’t. Why did you ignore the part where I specifically said that if we do reduce it to 2 talents we would probably need to reduce some of it’s power to make room for two new talents and 2 additional talents the feral can spend in the tree. What is it with these reading problems everyone is having in this thread? Are reading skills really so bad in general or are people just here to argue without actually reading the whole thread / comment?
barely use the first and never the latter in PvP?
I already wrote this above, I was giving GENERAL EXAMPLES about how feral has clunky mechanics in it for both PvE and PvP. Again we have the reading problems show up lol… Also you keep on jumping between PvP and PvE when it fits your narrative, but as soon as it’s something you disagree about you get angry for bringing up PvE? Hypocrite much?
Strength of the Wild, Bear damage is far from “no damage”, its very respectable.
Yeah when you take talents that nobody uses, do a build that focuses on Bear, take PvP talents that focus on Bear your bear ain’t that useless, only instead now cat form became useless. Yeah and if you take sunfire and improved sunfire and heart and master shapeshifter and starsurge you can even make moonkin form not useless, but again you lost so much in the process that you’d be better off not doing it.
This is not a PvP exclusive game?
Why are you bringing up PvE now? Did you not say in the very same comment just 10 lines above that I shouldn’t be talking about PvE? And no all these talents are not played, some aren’t played even in PvE.
Regrowth is alright with HotW and where it should be normally when playing PotP.
No it ain’t even with both of these. PotP takes too long to stack in PvP and is effected by dampening meaning you get 100k healing from it in a game. Heart of the Wild has almost no effect on regrowth because it heals 30k baseline, meaning even with heart you get a 40k regrowth. That is why NOBODY takes them, just look at the stats, look at what meta builds are, look at the builds of the top 50 feral druids, they dont take these talents, not alone, not together. Stop making stuff up.
I dont care in the slightest what you wrote above to someone else. I responded to your recommendation.
But to answer the rest of that sentence: No, its fine as it is. Its a really fun cooldown and pretty much everyone invests a lot to make their cooldown strong.
You claimed no one plays the mentioned talents, I told you the tree is not PvP exclusive.
Ah yes, the completly useless 15% extra Bear HP and caster utility alongside bear damage, thats very comparable to the complete non-sense you wrote in those sentences.
Which talent outside of Moonfire and Primal Claws isnt picked in PvE? Moonfire is playable for Single Target Kitty in PvP. Tireless Energy? Is in every ST build. Relentless Predator? Got swapped to Sudden Ambush after its nerf but is still competetive. That leaves Protective Growth and Cat’s Curiousity.
Primal Claws gets reworked so we have 2 Talents that are not that great out of 44 if I counted that just right now with all nodes combined in the feral tree? Thats horrible.
Fully stacked PotP Regrowth is where it should be baseline to be healthy for enemy and player alike. HotW’s strength isnt just tied to Regrowth healing.
You havent brought up one good thing besides Feral needs a healing buff, or care to give a nice list of what you think feral needs for everyone as a recap here?
If I remember all your stuff, that is;
A lot stronger healing (which is fair)
A lot stronger Bear form, preferably with damage reduce or extremely high armor value (for god knows what reason?)
Castable Clones in Animal Forms (for god knows what reason?)
Immunity (for god knows what reason?)
Re-Stealth (for god knows what reason compared to Rogue?)
Some really unimportant, minor QoL like castable Innervate in Form
And all in all a lot stronger Druid Class Tree where you pretty much get everything you want with no choices made. Free Cyclone, Mighty Bash AND Incap Roar at once again.
I dont care in the slightest what you wrote above to someone else. I responded to your recommendation.
It was in direct response to one of your comments that was a response to one of my comments. Either you didn’t read the whole comment or you didn’t understand it.
YOU WROTE
You literally only listed things that would tremendously buff the class.
And I responded with
It’s only obvious that if berserk gets pushed down into 1-2 talents it would need to be a little bit weaker so that the new talents can make up that difference in a different way.
What the hell is going on in this thread. People claiming you said something you didn’t, people saying you didn’t say what you did, cherrypicking, nitpicking, being against any possible changes with no explanation, reading problems, not reading comments, making up stuff, double standards, hypocrism, trolls.
Ah yes, the completly useless 15% extra Bear HP and caster utility alongside bear damage, thats very comparable to the complete non-sense you wrote in those sentences.
How many ferals do you think take this actually? Why don’t you actually look at some site that shows you what is meta and how many of the top players take something. You’ll find they don’t take this PvP talent, because it sucks and you have 3-4 other a lot stronger talents like Wicked Claws, Wild Attunement, King of the Jungle, High Winds, even Thorns if probably better
Which talent outside of Moonfire and Primal Claws isnt picked in PvE?
You probably wanna do some research and look at what the best performing builds are, what are the most used builds and you’ll actually pretty quickly find out that you are just plain wrong about that. Just like you are wrong about your takes about PotP and Heart and you wanting ferals to take bear related PvP talents when we pretty much have 3 PvP talents that are instant lock in.
HotW’s strength isnt just tied to Regrowth healing.
Why do you keep jumping back anf forth? You said Heart makes regrowth GOOD, I proved that ain’t true so now you go and say that it has strengths somewhere else? Do you even know what you are talking about anymore? Or are you just gonna be jumping to something else everytime you can’t defend your wrong takes?
A lot stronger Bear form, preferably with damage reduce or extremely high armor value (for god knows what reason?)
To make Bear useful? To make it worth the 2 wasted GCDs? To make maybe a bear PvP talent a viable pick? To make us feel more like an actual shapeshifter that wants to keep jumping between forms? You playing a druid and you are against the shapeshifter playstyle? Maybe druid aint for you?
Castable Clones in Animal Forms (for god knows what reason?)
Again reading problems? Almost every comment in here that even mentioned clone in form said that it should probably require a PvP talent, meaning you need to sacrifice something you currently have to get it and mosty probably it would require a CD meaning you can no longer swap clones, extend clones, get multiple free frenzys in a row etc. It might actually be an interesting choice, interesting gameplay change where I can clone once every 30 secs, might not be viable, but still an interesting idea.
Re-Stealth (for god knows what reason compared to Rogue?)
We already have a re-stealth… Do you even play Druid? Most comments again here said that we would prefer the re-stealth to not be tied to Incarn, cause in Incarn you want to be DPSing so re-stealth is only as an offensive move, where if it were not tied we could use it also as a defensive mechanic.
Immunity (for god knows what reason?)
Cause almost everyone has one now. If everyone gets one why shouldn’t Feral?
And you wonder why these changes dont happen?
Well actually changes are happening. According to you feral has already enough DMG, but we’ll be getting 11% more DMG soon. Seems Blizzard does not agree with you and agrees with actually us that say Feral ST sucks and AoE also ain’t something amazing and it seems that actual logs and stats prove us right and you wrong.
https://i.imgur.com/wrkfyHS.jpg from the Feral Discord
Where exactly are they not played?
You mean like it does with two PvP talents already, turning it from one of the best CC abilities to an overpowered one? High Winds is broken, Wild Attunement still needs a hefty CD or straight up pruning again, and dont even get me started on fast Clones from Moonkin.
Which Cats dont need at all, same for the other things I listed up and pretty much sum up Alessa’s whole posting process the past months.
The only thing cat needs is better healing, un-nerfed Frenzied Regeneration and the final fix for not seperating AoE and ST as they are still one of the few specs that suffer the most from speccing either into AoE or ST, but Dire Fixation wont fix that.
