Tossing some automated message “Hello this system was needed because of people abusing it.” Doesn’t really open up to any discussion or anything.
And im not talking about just this OPs post, if a post includes “dungeon” & “votekick” you post the exact same ones over and over.
I’ve noticed this too, and agree that it’s not conducive to the discussion. That being said, it’s understandable when numerous people complain about the same thing.
Then again: if this many complain about a system that’s easy to abuse in a way that encourages hostile behavior, you have to consider which of the following is the lesser of two evils:
- Keeping the Deserter debuff because of players who want to leave a group become a nuisance or ask the group to remove them.
or
- removing the Deserter debuff to mitigate purposefully hostile abuse of the system
Keep in mind, the LFG functionality renders the first bullet point obsolete, because players are automatically added to the group once a replacement has been found. This seems to be a pre-LFG solution to a problem that just doesn’t exist anymore.
Latching onto what Saneko mentioned in my previous post:
Groups are empowered to manage their own members through the vote-kick system. If the majority of the group feels a player should be removed, they can initiate a vote-kick to remove them. The system is entirely under the control of our players. Players may choose to remove any other player from the group for any reason, provided the vote to kick passes.
If the group majority is alright with a player being kicked to circumvent the Deserter debuff and Blizzard empowers groups to manage themselves, why punish players who are kicked at all?
Not to mention that this debuff by definition is completely irrelevant when a player is unwillingly kicked from the group.