I make this post to hope changing mentallity of people when they make key and doing Mythic +.
Well i play Marksmanship hunter and at the time of that post i tag around +14 in key. And i got 1488 raider io with +14 timed.
Normal people tag into a key, the leader check raider io if the player can time those key and about his experience and everything. Check ilevel to estimate the damage he will deal. And that i’m 100% for it since it’s one of the best way to predict how will happen the M+.
But here my issue : We imagine i tag into 7 differents group,s i’m taken into 5 differents groups , and after being invited you just have to wait 1-2 minute and being kicked from the group (time for leader checking your spec). And in those 5 groups taken it happen every 4 groups to being kicked beacause i play marksmanship.
Everytime i ask leader why i’ve been kicked :
No reply and being ignored / reported ( i think reported since i could whisper them before and after i’ve got " this player is not currently playing") ( 40% )
You play marksmanship ( 25 %)
Switch BM / go reroll an another specialisation(20%)
Trash damage spec, gtfo (15%)
So here why i am making this post to denounce that and i will give me my point of views : If the player in raider io look good. Timed key around that level and thing that mean the player got the damage and the mecanics for the key. It’s not about accepted by raider io ( that i think it’s a good systems) but players is judging an another player damage by his specs and not about what he is in dungeon, the mecanic of the player and his damage inside the dungeon.
And now if i tell you what happen how i can be accepted in 1 dungeon / 7 is beacause now i tag as last dps, summon people quick hoping the leader don’t see my specs and at the end of the dungeons i’m like a normal M+ player in damage and mecanics. But i have to hide / don’t speak in tchat to do not pay attention to my spec. It’s ridiculous !
So please when you take people judge them only by ilevel and raider io, it’s just demoralising to see people judge the player by his specs when he don’t know what the player is capable of.
With all honesty those guys who did not took you did you a favor by not subjecting you to the presence of people with such poor standards of judging potential party members.
I wish you will find some steady friends to run M+ with in the future.
Well I still do not think there is such a massive difference between the specs to warrant so much abuse.
One would think you were applying for a M+ tournament!
There was no reason to require resto druids for any non-MDI key yet people did because meta.
Now if they go with kickweaving MW in next MDI the spec player perception can get affected as well (trashed when people will try replicating what they see without good understanding…).
Mhm, as great as this may sound…it is not how it is going to be. I am sorry to say, but some specs simply bring a higher risk factor (or simply lack something). And well my Feral Druid pretty much got the same issue from time to time, just gotta find another group. So be it.
And for MM, the amount of times they do not ever want to summon a pet (due to lone wolf ramp up time) or not having a specific pet is too damn high. You can do normal amounts of damage, but if you don’t bring the utility the class allows you to have, then what is the point in bringing a MM instead of any other spec?
We will never know before it is too late. And again some specs do bring a higher risk factor.
It’s not about the pool. I was already choosen. and even when group is full they kick me for being Marksmanship.
When a player is totally capable to do the key and the leader judge you by the specs. Sorry to say but it’s ridiculous to take a “meta spec” and getting the feeling that meta spec will 100% time your key and non meta will 100% deplete your key.
That where raider io is about : it’s not about risk but about fact.
I mean we got drums to conpensate, upgrading 5% haste for group in M+ dungeons only represent 0,325% of the total damage in the dungeon. Those damage is way increase if they knew their rotation the whole dungeons and about network connection.
We still have binding shot , Misdirection ( essential for hight key) and trap and bursting shot. The only thing we don’t have is the Spirit Mending from spirit beast. And if the group think spirit mend gonna time the key, they are wrong since it’s only 110k healing every 30 seconds ( 3k hps).
So you are trying to tell me you take a outlaw that time +8 will be safier than MM hunter timing +14 ? You serious ?
One thing why i do not like Mm hunters, that they refuse to summon pet for boss pull+hero. Summon the bloody pet, and dismiss it. You will not out dps the other 2 melee even without the delay on pull…
For that I rather take BM/SV. Because there’s no other practical need to take MM - no enrage dispell, no hero. For the slow I can take other 2 specs, and still get enrage dispel, double stuns, and heroism.
And I am saying this after I have become annoyed by my good friend, and his good dps hunter who happens to be MM, so this is not some “bad PUG experience”. I get irritated by MM as spec, not Mm players.
Same way i do not like ret paladins. They are good dps, but double the death rate for some reason.
Heroism. Why would I take a hunter, who does not do hunter things that other 2 specs can and would.
Before someone misunderstands me - “me not liking” does not mean i kick anything or anyone. I have done M+ dungeons with sub rogue too. And affli locks. So there. I do not get too manic over game.
Truth be told I do not understand why wouldn’t MM hunters summon a pet for bosses. As far as I recall it is better to use pets for single target fights, and only use Lone Wolf for trashpacks.
MM hunters can have purge/soothe, but only with specific pets. What they really will miss is the 5%/7.5% extra HP, and a 5 second single target stun. I think their target limit of 5 is more of a limiting factor in this case.
I’ve run a M14 key with 3 hunters - all different specs. It was quite fun actually. There was this comradeship and competitiveness same time. MM did shine on bosses, and survival due to their build needs and particularities was dead last on ST.