if u want to skip bosses. create your dungeon… u can queue specific dungeon and do what u want or what speedrun or whatever.
ppl kick new players… or who want all bosses…
blizz need put barrier in all bosses and problem will fixed…
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this is my 2nd account as a former player, wow community is having the worst community and players I’ve ever seen It was filled with people who are unsympathetic, impatient, rude, and egotistical.
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So are you saying that one individual should be able to tell the other four how a dungeon should be done, without them having a say in the matter?
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Somehow i can’t sympathize with you on this topic because again you are one of those people who thinks that 1 person vote matters against 4
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You have plenty of solutions. You can do the boss like a kind person you should aspire to be, because it almost has no cost to you. It would never cross my mind to kick anybody for wanting to do the boss I don’t want to do. It doesn’t mean you even have to be super kind either, you can literally 3 man normal leveling dungeons if you are such a hardcore minmaxer that skips bosses. Kicking noobs for such reasons is degenerate behavior. If that person were the tank they obviously wouldn’t kick them, that would be a time loss. It’s just pure power abuse. Needs of everyone are important if they can be accommodated and the cost for majority is negligible. If you get a noob from time to time that wants to kill all bosses for his expirence/gear, you cannot disagree that cost is negligible and the whole concept of kicking somebody for that stuff is not only a sign of absolute selfishness, but also toxicity since it is very punishing for the solo player. Majority having absolute say is just law of the jungle and should be shunned, not condoned.
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You didn’t answer my question though: Do you feel it is right for one person’s wish to be put ahead of everyone else in the group? This is the situation we are discussing now, not about people taking advantage of how the voting system works.
I do not kick anyone from dungeons whether they want or do not want to kill bosses. If the tank however says that he wants to kill the boss, and will refuse to do anything else until we bend to their will then yes, I will ask them to leave because I rather everyone in the group works well together to go through the dungeon.
The status of the player in question does not matter. If someone wants to hold me hostage, or wants to force me to 4 man a dungeon regardless of difficulty because their personal needs are not met then I will advocate for them to leave or remove them from the group, regardless if they are newbies or cutting edge raiders. I rather not reward such behaviour by 4 manning the dungeon, where the oppressive player reaps the rewards while not doing anything for it.
I consider it selfish if, after discussing the matter, a single individual holds his own personal needs higher than that of the group he was assigned together with.
As I said before this isn’t about kicking people because you feel that they do low damage, they are new, or just for fun. This is about one person trying to force their will on four others. As someone who is in favor of team-based gameplay I find such way of thinking to be selfish, and if the individual does not fit into the group AND does not want to comply with the wishes of the team then it is better if they leave.
And no, it would never cross my mind to kick someone for not wanting to do a boss either. If he tells me something along the lines of “I do not care what you guys think, we either kill this boss or I will not move/afk.” then I will ask them to leave.
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If you want to kill all bosses, create you own dungeon… u can queue specific and do what you want or slow run or whatever.
In reality it’s a group activity. No one person can dictate to others how to play, you reach a concensus, it’s very easy to ask at the start or state your preference. I personally, just go with the flow, if they want to skip, I skip, if they want to kill I kill all. I am not that upset either way.
As I previously stated, if they increased the XP gain from boss kills, the behaviour of players would probably change, because it would be more beneficial to kill than skip. However at max level you will probably still find groups wanting to skip, depends what they are in there for.
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what benefit in hc dungeon? i need gear maybe calling daily quest…
they doing for what? they have high tier gear and no need experience?
blizz should put barrier to boss by boss. and problem fixed.
we are not racing against time.
who want to race go m+ then.
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You want to use semantics to win a discussion, that’s why I am not answering. I stepped away from such generalizations. Just discuss this specific case, not some group needs as if this is gonna solve world hunger. Would you slam the door in the face of an old woman if she would be slowing you down? If the group sacrifices almost nothing to fulfill the needs of the minority then they should do it. You should be inclusive, not enforcing your will. Everybody has the right to play the video game. What if they told him to stay at the entrance and do nothing or they kick him? That would also be in their right? I did it a lot in boosts, it’s a normal thing to do with inexperienced people but should the majority have the right to enforce that?
People are mainly doing it to drop a legendary(or for xp on normal)
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You are not wanting to race against time, some others feel different and want to just do it fast for quick xp gain, which is most efficient by skipping.
Even in Hc not everyone cares about boss kills, they just want something from 3rd or 4th. An item for a quest for example or lege recipe.
Blizz could increase the XP gain from boss kills in Nm and the behaviour would change, or like someone else said remove the completion XP and maybe just divide it between the bosses instead. I don’t think they’ll remove the completion XP though.
Offtopic: I find it ironic that OP is calling people who are disagreeing with him toxic and childish, in a toxic and childish manner.
Ontopic: I understand getting kicked and getting a leaver penalty sucks. But just because you’re the tank does not make you one to control the dungeon. Your interest of doing the bosses and not skipping doesn’t override the interest of the 4 other group members who wanted to skip.
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I just wonder how much “time they saved” by kicking the tank from their group. I didn’t even realize he was tanking it till now. Hilarious.
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Have you never stopped for a second that also ALL THE OTHERS are paying for the game and don’t want that you decide how their gametime must be spent? 
Mindblowing right?
Replacements are pretty fast and most groups just carry on to the next boss and the replacement arrives in time for 3rd boss.
That or we need to make our own groups as some have told me. We are basicly being forced out of using the dungeon finder if you ask me at least for the dungeons that people speedrun this way and a expansion already has only 8 dungeons to begin with.
It is interesting that you are not answering based on semantics, but you use blanket statements to cover those who do not agree with you, painting them as soulless husks who only think for themselves.
As I said before a number of times, regardless of difficulty doing a dungeon is a group effort. Not everyone will be happy with the choice the others make, but personally, if three out of 5 people tell me that they want to skip a boss, and I cannot convince them otherwise, then I will not try to force them to do the boss. I will comply with their wishes because a dungeon group is a team, and a team should work together to get to a common goal.
You are stuck at the points I highlighted as being issues, but it does come along with a system that aims to solve an issue that was prevalent in the past (people afking in dungeons because there were no vote-to-kick systems at that time). This particular issue in this case is clear cut: OP wanted to do the first two bosses, the rest of the team did not want to. They did not reach a middle ground and the group grew impatient, so they kicked them because they did not fit into the group’s method of achieving the goal.
You should, in every case be inclusive, but you also need to respect the wishes of 4 other, living individuals who are also in your group. Teamwork is based on co-operation, and the trivial nature of these dungeons shouldn’t lower its importance.
But we are going about in circles for a while now, so I will just leave it at this: Everything in the end comes down to communication. As a group everyone should decide on the path forward, and in the end the majority does get to decide on which path to follow. If that thought disturbs you, or you just feel that your own needs can be placed above the needs of the other four, then you may need to have a long, deep thought on whether group content is for you or not.
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They might be pretty fast but did they save time? Also doesn’t the replacement walk from the start since you didn’t kill the first or second boss? I honestly doubt the answer is yes because I remember not getting replacement tanks for 10-15 minutes at times in leveling dungeons in prime time of Shadowlands. All of this hostility is basically traded for nothing.
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Yes, I’ve seen some hilarious runs after skipping, wiping and getting a replacement tank.
Overall i do think the normal thought of dungeons is doing all the bosses, in general. Next to that i just help out everyone who needs something. Especially when it costs me ‘nothing’.
How often did i not just help out someone on a specific dungeon that i did not need myself at all anyway. Yesterday someone asked in the community his brother needed SD for KSM. We looked through our keys, found a +17, downgraded to 15, runned the dungeon. Grats on your KSM.
If someone wants to kill bosses then just kill bosses. I am not sure why even 4 against 1 matters. Just my personal behaviour would immediately kick in to just help out. And it really cost almost no time and effort anyway.
I have done countless WQ’s in legion when there was a WQ up in that dungeon. When i already had done it. When 1 player needs then i help.
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