Yes it saves time.
Easy fix dungeon won’t give xd reward only if you kill all bosses,thank me l8ter
Yes, I’ll be sure to thank you later for saying the same thing I already did.
Thanks 
I did answer you and threw a bunch of similar analogies, since you like them so much, answer them. I’m not the only one that should answer questions and respond to analogies. I also play FF and not a single person pulled the boss while i was watching 5 minute cinematic in leveling dungeons. Not even once in like 70 dungeons I did. It is possible. You are sacrificing NOTHING. Group content is definitely for me because I never kicked anybody for anything besides curse words and do not support it. I do not enforce my power when I have it to flex. I do not kick people who go afk because I don’t care if it slows me down by 2 minutes. Honestly, I wish I could know which people do that stuff, never to be in a group with them. Maybe they should wear a special hat. Truly horrible people. I am a min-maxer but not in content for people who experience the game for the first time.
Wanna race with those rules?
Groups that have to refill get prio in the group finder. It takes moments to get a replacement tank.
I know you really want to deny the efficiency of the fast dungeon spam.
Sorry haven’t paid to much attention 
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Come to FF14 we dont have problems with abusive kicking. At least you will be wanted as a tank. Only thing that is lacking is serious pvp, but if you like pve theres so much content from dungeons to savage and alliance raids and ultimate trials.
Why paying 15€ for a game where you will be kicked for playing what you like and for grinding stuff thinking you will miss things otherwise.
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It was a normal plaguefall. I had tanks leaving on me the moment we entered, so we just 4-manned the entire, in roughly the same time. Maybe a minute lost or so. Don’t really need a tank for PF normal.
Skipping two bosses without a tank is still faster than doing all with one. Been there, tried both, skipping almost always won.
There’s a difference between someone demanding to kill a boss, and someone asking to. I’ll happily help someone who asks. If someone demands? Nope, sorry, gonna press that vote kick button very fast.
I’m game. Happy to race your 5-man group clearing all bosses vs my 4-man without a tank, clearing only the last two. Or, to be really fair, the best would be for a single group to go and do a full clear with 5-man, as fast as they can, and then do a skip run without the tank. Much easier to organize.
No, I want to simulate the situation, arguing included. The race would be 51-59 lvl chars going into plaguefal - me as tank in a normal pug group killing everything, you as 1 dps. You skip to 3rd boss without shroud or invis pots with a me as a tank in group while i “try to do the normal route”, then you kick me (i simulate leaving), wait for me to port out, get a new tank from LFG, no warlock summon. No 4 manning because as I said I know you can 4 man it faster than getting a replacement, but then what’s the point of kicking?
I got kicked as healer after 1st boss the dps did not cc the adds or move out of the aoe on the ground and blamed me for being undergeared, the ilvl requirement was 81 and I was 102 … they always blame the healer, i checked back with the tank later and she said that the group broke up because of the dps not dealing with the adds etc.
so I will not bother with dungeons until level 60 and simply gear up for LFR, my guild say they will help me through the dungeons on any spec I like
The point of kicking is to prevent the player from pulling stuff onto the group, and because they clearly went against the wishes of the rest of the party.
There’s zero point in the simulation if we can’t 4-man, because 4-manning is exactly what’s happening when you kick the tank. You get rid of an incompatible person, you do the rest as efficient as you can. There’s no reason to wait for another tank.
This boss though gives NOTHING. Like with that logic we should clear every trash pack up to the last boss. Actually xp wise trash packs give more xp than bosses. And don’t tell me that the loot it gives is worth it because it isn’t. It is useless gear that gets replaced in 2 seconds by the next trash loot.
It is not about how long or how hard (no pun intended) it is to kill a boss. It is about how absolutely USELESS and waste of time it is to kill him. Do you stop and kill every trash mob between 1 world quest and the next? Because honestly that is more rewarding than killing a boss in a normal dungeon.
Or you know, actually add xp to the bloody bosses so people have an incentive to do them.
The mvp said it is faster to get a replacement tank on 3rd boss, get him to come to you and continue. I want to race on those rules. I want to see it being the faster way in a pug environment, not against an organized group of people who can 4 man it. You are supposed to simulate a pug, not an ideal environment vs competent people.
What if you are a new player that wants to experience a dungeon? I never disagreed with the point that killing that boss is pointless or that skipping it is faster. I only talk about the fact that kicking people for wanting to do that is a waste of time and on top of that is toxic. In the 3 minutes you spend on arguing you could have killed both bosses and be done without being toxic to players who don’t understand that concept.
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Oh but I don’t kick players. Last time there was a new player there I explained to him exactly why it’s an absolute waste of time to do the boss and they moved on with the group without needing to kick anyone. If someone wants to do the boss they can feel free to try and solo it I don’t care. They can do their thing I will wait for them at 3rd boss. Simple as that (if I can swap to tank I will just swap tank and we 4 man Domina and Stradama).
If they want to leave the group it’s up to them. I have also left Plaguefall groups because the other 4 players wanted full clear. Who cares? I just log my next char and que again. Getting kicked or being forced to leave a dungeon is not the end of the world. When you level 50 chars to max you will get kicked more times and for many more stupid reasons than this (I was kicked because I took the skin of a tank in Tyrna Scythe). But you don’t see me making forum posts about it
I do that too. Also because PF and Mists only have 3 bosses and for the challenges calling you need to kill 4.