King Terenas

Where is the King Terenas in the Maw, I want to ask him a few questions, thanks?

Why would he be in the Maw? He literally did nothing wrong, if anything he’d be in a good realm like Bastion.

op is a troll what did you expect daelinna :stuck_out_tongue:

Not sure if we’ll meet him. But probably that would be better than the devs trying to reuse Arthas in some way.

One could say that not being strict with Uther when he left Arthas, or ignoring Medivh, or treating Calia like a 2nd class creature worthy only to be a “kid producing device”, could be considered questionable.

Now, will any of those things evolve into plot lines, or if they even could be considered to be anything more than short-sighted - time will tell.

Not the Maw material, but once you dig through the history of the alliace he has his share of “that was not a clever idea at all” kind of decisions.

Sometimes it’s possible to get new ideas even from trollz. Like, many didn’t like @Liira, but I thought there were ways to have a productive discussions, given some “carefulness” in the approach.


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Uther was Arthas’ superior, he had no right to strip him of his duties as a Paladin. Arthas was clearly mad, everyone could see it, that’s why Uther and Terenas quickly had the expedition to Northrend recalled home.

He literally had no reason to believe Medivh wasn’t anything more than a crazy vagabond. That’s on Medivh for literally not providing any evidence for his cryptic BS.

That’s literally how every medieval monarch thinks dude. If your daughter isn’t producing any heir, then she’s wasted, because she isn’t prolonging the family’s legacy. That’s how it works, it might be rough but that’s literally how you keep your dynasty in power. You can’t blame Terenas for being born in a harsh world.

And regardless you don’t go to the Maw if you’re dumb, you go to the Maw if you’re evil. Terenas literally didn’t do anything evil ever. And he wasn’t dumb either. Someone who kept his throne for 70+ years in a world like Azeroth can’t be dumb for certain.

Don’t mention the camps, because the alternative was genocide. Don’t even dare go there.

We have few details on how that all was going during that time. WoW has a lot of empty space left for one reason or the other.

He could be on the throne for that time because he was good. He could be - because every other side had too many idiots. Maybe he made clever decisions himself. Maybe it was on him delegating things to clever unnamed characters which might be revealed someday.

As I said before

So, the question is not about slapping a badge “evil” on someone, but whether or not there will be any commentary on where the things went because of those decision. Like, Calia being killed because she was never taught any skills that could influence her behaviour.

I was never taught how to rule, Anduin, because no one expected me to. I never formally studied politics or strategy.

© Before the Storm

So, the question is not if he had no reasons to behave that way, but to see his daugher as undead and comment on if it ended up being a good idea to approach the events the way he did.

Same with others. It’s not about blaming, but him seeing the outcome, and maybe sharing thoughts if this was a good idea, or what actually were the available alternatives. Not the players speculating, but canon ones.

For example, the story of Stratholme. On paper, maybe Kirin Tor could help. In practice, the influence of the Cult of the Damned was so strong, that it’s not a valid alternative, sadly. So, more details like that is what I mean.


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You don’t need details to know what was going during that time. Terenas has always been famous for his wisdom and cunning as a shrewd ruler. Stop trying to turn smart people into dumb people. Terenas literally did nothing Maw-worthy nor evil. Even if he made mistakes, he absolutely did not have malicious intentions.

I do. If you don’t - I can only wish you good luck and creative success.

It’s not like I have influence over the story direction. Otherwise Calia would be in the alliance already. And val’kyrs free from their pact.
:eyes:

:thinking:


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If you do, then I’m happy you’re not a writer. We don’t need to know what was going on during every single year of Terenas’ reign. The fact that he ruled for 70 years as a mortal man ruler and was constantly praised for his wisdom is enough. Basic storytelling.

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Sup troll? You doing good?

Are you talking about the man that refused to listen to the Guardian? The one that doomed his kingdom? That got the scourge and the Legion to ravage his people? The one that got killed by his own son? :rofl:seriously cunning that human.

I already addressed this, why do I always have to repeat myself?

Also, following your logic, Malfurion wasn’t wise nor cunning either. Must suck to name yourself after an idiot.

No, just refused to listen to a mad dude randomly spouting prophecies of doom.

I still wonder how that’d have gone had Medivh, I don’t know…introduced himself?

You can really tell that people on this forum need to go out more. They are completely out of touch with reality.

Irl, leaders of superpowers don’t make major decisions based on the cryptic BS of a filthy vagabond.

King terenas we saw in the game was maybe yoggsaron vison projected to us, as he said same thing yogg said during encounter+music was suspicious.

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https://www.gameinformer.com/games/world_of_warcraft_wrath_of_the_lich_king/b/pc/archive/2010/02/17/afterwords-world-of-warcraft-wrath-of-the-lich-king.aspx

I agree that they feel a little too disconnected. There is supposed to be a tie-in between Yogg-Saron (the boss of Ulduar) and the Lich King, and that’s how that was supposed to make sense – through Yogg-Saron’s manipulation of world events. I don’t think that was obvious enough to the players. It’s hard for them to draw that connection even though theoretically that connection exists. In the planning stages, that wasn’t much of a factor for us, because in our minds that connection existed and was clear. We just didn’t do a very good job of expressing it.

© T. Chilton

Now, the question is, was that supposed to be connection of Yogg-Saron to the Lich King? To Arthas? To Menethils? Perhaps we’ll learn soon enough. For now have to just stick with speculations. Like that one.


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You can drop your speculations.

That interview came out in 2010, we haven’t heard from Yogg-Saron ever since (it’s 2021), and Tom Chilton is no longer working at Blizzard. The horse died long ago, you can’t even beat it anymore.

Ok guys stop fighting, Maw or Bastion, I need to ask him something…

When you do “pre-Legion” quest The Diamond King, it starts that way, once you enter Ulduar:

Brann Bronzebeard:
Hold it… ye sense anythin’ odd, Khadgar? Gettin a familiar feelin’… an’ I don’t like it!

Eight Saronite Vapors, green elemental clouds, spawn and surround the party as two Faceless Echoes spawn.

An Unknown Voice:
You are a pawn of forces unseen.

So, not really. Yogg-Saron was doing his stuff not that long ago.

At best you can ask Calia to pass your message.


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Prove that it is Yogg-Saron and not N’Zoth.