Kiting Blood Moon Event boss away so no one benefits

Due to the intentionally vague language used in the terms of service what is or isn’t a violation of said terms is a matter of interpretation, as it is meant to be. Next i will elaborate on my interpretation of the terms of service and how it relates to the actions of the seals. Towards the end I will explain my own interest in the matter.

  1. Disrupting or assisting in the disruption of any computer used to support the Platform or any Game environment. ANY ATTEMPT BY YOU TO DISRUPT THE PLATFORM OR UNDERMINE THE LEGITIMATE OPERATION OF ANY GAME MAY BE A VIOLATION OF CRIMINAL AND CIVIL LAWS.

The above in my opinion quite clearly relates to what you might broadly describe as hacking and similar actions. Which is not what they’re doing. They are acting within what is possible inside the game, whether that is intentional design on Blizzard’s part or not. The platform itself is not being undermined, and what they are doing is as a matter of fact part of the legitimate operation of the game.

  1. Harassment, “griefing,” abusive behavior or chat, conduct intended to unreasonably undermine or disrupt the Game experiences of others, deliberate inactivity or disconnecting, and/or any other activity which violates Blizzard’s Codes of Conduct or In-Game Policies."

Again, the vague language is intentional, but the key word here is unreasonable. Do their actions unreasonably undermine or disrupt your experience? Let us begin with what the experience in question is then. This is how Blizzard described the event:

During this event, killing players will allow you to earn currency which can be traded for various rewards. While you can still group-up with your allies for the event, the Blood Moon is a harsh mistress and will punish those in raid groups.
For those who would rather live in peace and harmony with the land, you can opt out of the event by speaking with the Zandalari Emissary. You will not be able to earn any rewards from the event if you opt out and general realm PvP rules will still apply.
Unlike in the Ashenvale PvP event, there will not be any PvP objectives in Stranglethorn Vale’s event. You will also need to keep a sharp eye out for the Chosen of the Blood Loa who is more than a force to be reckoned with and will kill all in their path.

As for the boss it is only mentioned in passing as something dangerous you need to watch out for. The focus quite clearly is on killing players, and the only mention of the experience of those opting out is that they will not be able to earn any rewards. Furthermore, it explicitly states that unlike Ashenvale, there are no objectives, i.e. boss killing.

So as far as what the expected experience might be I think it is quite clear that the main focus is most certainly not on the boss, it is PVP. So are the accused undermining or disrupting your PVP experience to an unreasonable degree? I would think not, seeing as they are fighting an NPC out in the ocean, far away from any other player.

One could definitely argue that the rewards are part of the experience, and that kiting the boss does negatively impact your ability to earn those rewards. But is it really an unsreasonable undermining or disruption of your experience that the boss is not in the exact place where you would expect it to be?

Someone doing something which results in your expectations not being met does in my opinion not constitute as an unreasonable undermining or disruption of your experience. You can still fight the boss, you can still fight other players near the boss, none of the core features of the event are being withheld from you as a result of the actions of the players in question.

Well they don’t.

So then, what is my own interest in this topic? I don’t play with the guild in question, or even on the same server, although I have played on the same server as some of them at one point, on the opposite faction.

I quite simply despise the all too common attitude in this community that everything is just a farm, and the only thing that matters is that the farm in question is done as efficiently as possible in order for one to not have to do it again. Is a battleground taking too long? Let them win, my rep per hour is going down. Is the STV boss not in a convenient spot? Ban them, my coins per event is going down.

What the seals in my opinion are doing is creating content. They are adding to the existing experience by making themselves part of it as villains, a common enemy for both factions. This could be a fun thing, the alliance and the horde could cooperate to defeat this common enemy. That would be a far more memorable experience for all involved than going to the Gurubashi arena and spamming whatever AOE ability you have.

But instead you go on the forum asking for them to get banned, so you can mindlessly farm your coins. The seals are having fun, they are creating memorable experiences for themselves, and if anyone actually could be arsed they could also get some memorable experiences out of this. But the people complaining don’t want memorable experiences, or fun, the just want to be done with the game.

It doesn’t provide any rewards. Nor achievement. Altho if they were attempting to kill it as those who did it first as in kite in into Gurubashi Arena. That would be more acceptable, cuz that’s one of the spawn locations and everyone could still benefit while they attempt to kill it.

Dragging it at the corner of the map where there are no spirits we both - and they know- they have 0 chance of defeating him. It’s purely grief attempt. On top of that, they even released 2 videos which basically confirms it’s trolling attempt. Mocking the players for looking for the boss and then you tell me “oh they just trying to kill the boss” when it’s blatantly obvious they ain’t.

Regardless, I don’t care whether they get banned or not. The whole point of the thread is to draw enough attention to it and hotfix the boss to be leashed to its spawn location OR at least make it attackable only if you are opted in the event, being opted out means you have no interest in the event and everything that has to do with it. Plain and simple logic with no counter-arguement.

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seal team 6 trolls are in full swing here trying to obfuscate the situation and explain how they were not griefing enough to be banned, i say report them all and let blizz judge innocent or guilty

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Legit.

The only people who defend it are the ones causing it, hiding behind different chars thinking we can’t see the obvious. If anything this confirms what type of players they are.

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It would’nt be the first time that guild gets suspended. Last year they got suspended for 2 weeks for spawn-point killing alliance in AV for hours. That guild is full of scumbags all over.

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For real? Did they actually got suspended? xD

they do read the forums and are on it right now, don’t bother listening to lies. i could prove it but it means taking a warning or forums ban and i am not doing it lol

Touch grass bro - its just a game

when you actually learn what that word means come back to me :smiley:

knowing blizz they wouldnt bother with it, even when multiple people point out the obvious ToS violations.
the trolls deserve to be permabanned alongside the offenders if there is any punishment.

thankfully there are obvious points that they did that are a ToS violation, Blizz in the past has banned people for abusing things in the game and then also fixed it.

Not griefing.
In fact I would argue OP and people that agree with him are the ones griefing.
In the videos I see damage being dealt to boss. AFAIK if boss dies his buff disappears, so technically killing boss, according to OP, would be griefing.

The flaws in logic are real.

I loved those 2 videos and praise that guild for trying something new and fun.
Griefers are the sweatlords who can’t cope with doing STV event without the extra bloods from boss buff. Idk if they know this, but you CAN do the event and kill people if you don’t have that buff, you will still get bloods, just not as many.

And finally, ending with a note to say that I personally am of the opinion that the extra blood buff should not exist in the first place, every single group rushes to boss location, meaning being anywhere else = no fight = no bloods, and being in boss area = lagfest + AoEfest and is downright ridiculous.

you opinion doesn’t matter does it? since it does exist because the devs want it too and with purpose so to subvert people from doing it and using it for its intended purpose is greifing regardless what you want greifing to be.

My opinion matters as much as yours I’m afraid.
Also, to counter that (silly) argument, I could say that boss can be damaged and killed, and thus doing so is perfectly acceptable, ye?
I could also argue killing it (or trying) is also an intended purpose.

You need to think before typing man

actually braindead logic, in every kite you need to consistently do 1 instance of damage for the boss to keep following you, it is just a normal mechanic that has been used to kite Lord Kazzak to SW, Teremus to SW, the copypasta Kazzak to org etc.
you used that mechanic to kill people in cities through the boss, this is just used here to prevent people from getting the buff.

doesn’t the boss also heal off damage around him? which means only the raid is actively doing DPS, because seals wouldnt do damage and kill the horde trying to kill the boss.

the only thing everyone would agree with, except that boss would become an useless NPC and the entire point about the buff+risk/win rewards would be moot.

i am not giving you an opinion, i am telling you how it is. your opinion on what you want to be true won’t ever make it true, now before you think you can say anything about other peoples logic how about you go back to school get some and then come back and actually use it yourself.

No, he’s right. Blizzard are slow and don’t dish out punishments for this kind of behaviour.

Mad much?

Nothing about the actions taken by that guild is punishable. ← fact

And again, nothing prevents you from doing the STV event while boss isn’t around. The fact that you want more bloods doesn’t justify banning anyone who isn’t doing anything against the rules.

Now go touch some grass, you’re getting too annoyed, almost to the point of a no-lifer who’s only purpose in life is to play WoW.

interesting but you thinking it isn’t against the rules doesn’t change the fact it is. try reading them, clearly you didn’t. cmon half of you think the ban on GDKP only applies to SoD when it applies to every version now… despite a big blue post on another discussions over in the US forums showing it is banned outright.

Then please point me the line(s) where it makes it so.

Waiting

i already did so did others so try reading a topic all the way through.