Indeed i stand corrected, thank you i missed this change.
They can’t be priests??
As i try to look around the webb, i get mixed answers but atm no.
So they can be shamans but not priests? Seriously? ![:upside_down_face:](https://d1bg94bbsh66ji.cloudfront.net/en/wow/images/emoji/twitter/upside_down_face.png?v=6" ":upside_down_face:")
so far, yes… They got mages tho…
They can be priests…
Just look on the official website lmao
https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-us/battle-for-azeroth/features/allied-races
So why can they not be paladins
Gameplay reason (the actual important reason): The Alliance already has plenty of paladin races but is lacking Shamans.
Lore reason (lmao who cares?): Priests are here to represent the Nzoth cult of the Sea-priests as shadow priests and not actual light worshippers (just like void elfs)
Ok, so which class represents the Tidesages now?
Shamans, mages or priests? Or all three?
Except that playable Kul Tirans are loyal to House Proudmoore, while the corrupted Tidesages of House Stormsong just tried to kill everyone and even imprisoned Tandred Proudmoore and his legendary Fleet.
Ok, so which class represents the Tidesages now?
Shamans, mages or priests? Or all three?
Playable Kul Tirans are basically Restoration Shamans (use Water as energy, don’t delve in Frost magic, revere a Water Elemental, use lavish anchor-shaped totems). The only thing Frost Mages have in common with Tidesages is that they can conjure a Water Elemental to aid them in battle.
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None, since Tidesages have a different relationship with the Element of Water (through the Tidemother) than than Shamans or Mages. Frost Mages come close, but Mages cast their spells by conjuring something, and by using the Arcane. Shamans are more like the Tidesages, but only Restoration Shamans, or spells based on water-spells.
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yeah yeah Arcty but you should know the shtick by now… Some must have seen the error of their ways and use their powers for House Proudmoore now or whatever.
Or… Maybe for the glory of Greymane?!
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If you combine them all you’ll get sea priest/tide sages.
Unfortunately it’s not possible yet.
So the next page in regards to my crusade agains the kul´tiran shamans being a “real” thing.
Population: Based on what we see in-game there are only a handfull of non-void corrupted tidesages currently within the island Kul´tiras. What do we have beyond them? Pirates? I can see a few former tidesages being held or simply joined their enterprice. The return of the grand fleet? Why yes! As i read along the pages of Wowpedia i see that “[tidesages] board the largest ones for guidance at sea.”. I count towards 20 ships (so 20 tidesages) from the Jaina cinematic.
If we look at stormsong wowpedia its says that: “[…] the people of the region are devoted to the sea with a fanatical, religious fervor.” however beyond art portraying old god symbols mixed with water (structures, paintings, statues, textiles and weapons) there are NPC responses akin to “tides guide us”, “look to the sea” (cant remember the real ones) That shows this weird devotion mixed as the sea. tidemother and tentacles.
Culture: It is still in my opinion that like the tauren paladins (sunwalkers) its their faith (a very human trait) in the sea an indirect ability to combine Priest teachings, both holy and void, with a minor top cult having access to some elementals thru magical means ; mages. This is mainly due to the conection to the elements from both the horde and alliance races direct exchanges with elementals and in not faith based whatsoever. The most basic human trait disregarded to fit in shaman as a rational class for any human “sub-race”. Untill we go back to the Vrykul, the humans practising a so “barbaric” and primal magical practise. I cant say its a good fit.
Similar points can be talked about in regards to the kul´tiran druids, but they are changed to a degree and they are called druid in the most unique way like druids of the claw, druids of the flame and now druids of death. They fit the “frame” but with a different origin unlike a “normal” druids with an eye for life as the origin.
Orcs left the continent of Eastern Kingdoms on three ships 
How do you keep spawning so many grunts?
It’s not a good idea to take the numbers into consideration in Warcraft 
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Same reason Gnomes cannot, yet have Priests? Religious belief in something is not the same as being able to have Holy Warriors. It depends in how the Faith works. Now with Gnomes and Humans, Dwarves and Blood Elves we know that (now) they have exactly the same faith. However… Gnomes seem slightly different. They have a very analytical viewpoint on everything, and I have no doubt that would include the Light, and their own religious beliefs. Now you could argue ‘But the Blood Elves flat out stole the Light’ Not really, they had Faith, they just lost it, then regained it. Click on Liadrin “I am the Blade of the Light” That doesn’t sound like someone cynically abusing the Light, or analysing it.
Gnomes probably are simply too pragmatic to truly embrace the unquestioning faith that a Paladin requires, whilst still having Faith. Sort of like a Christian Scientist.
There are plenty of reasons that Kul Tirans do not have Paladins, and one of those is pretty much the reason for this thread. Their faith took a different path, one more applicable to their lives, sure they probably worship the Light, like Gnomes do, just not enough to have their own Paladin tradition, their faith is much more based on one of the most primal forces of nature, the Sea (As someone who lives on an island nation, I can totally get that vibe).
As such, Shamanism makes perfect sense for Tide Sages in my opinion, I mean by definition they are communing with one of the elements over the others, sure, but that’s a gameplay mechanics thing.
And yet people do so in our modern world in real life. There is nothing inherently barbaric in shamanism, Primal? perhaps.
Just a reminder, we -have- seen human Shaman before, in the Kurzen compound, in Stranglethorn.
I know right! And back then, Humans and Orcs were about the size of the houses they lived in, what pitiful pygmies we, in their shadow, so small that we can fit inside buildings…
Ehh, they breed like rabbits? As opposed to breeding with rabbits, which I suspect no one would really get anything out of, especially the rabbits, and Orcs to this day would look strangely adorable, with their floppy ears and little twitchy noses…and then tusks and hulking muscles.,…
Never…Especially not from the original games… Its like the “Goblins all came on one Ship!” argument. No…the ‘Hero’ Goblin did. Because a Hypercapitalist island nation like Kezan is totally going to have just one ship…
But Tidesages as Shamans, I can actually see the logic in that.
The Easter Warlords expansion confirmed.
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Population as argument in WoW, granted I will concede that its not one that holds mighty weight as its only relevant if blizzard says so. If we remember back to the introduction of the Void elves (maybe 100 individuals of an already low population race) there was confusion as to why its not the remnants of the High elves became an allied race for the alliance. The blizzard claim was “there is too few of them” … this still makes no sense. But Blizzards word is law… then they wish it to.
But still, ill retract my comment as to the tidesages low numbers and presence in Kul´tiras.
Barbaric: wild, alien and Bizzare. Looked down upon often based on cultural sophistication. A term one can use to display the alliances view of the horde in general, most prevalent from the humans of the alliance. There as the history and current adaptations of shamanism in WoW and connected to many a “barbaric” things as: ritual sacrifices of humanoids, cannibalism (former Darkspears), slaying of mighty beasts for ritual or prof of worth to elementals/ancestors/spirits, clan or/and wider society. These trends found in the shamans in WoW can do found (mostly not as… drastic) in the shamans of the alliance; the drenari, wildhammer dwarfs and Darkirons. Therefore, shamans are not as prevalent in the alliance in leadership or politics, its within the earthen ring that individual shamans gain a place of “power” equal to any from the horde. The Kul´tirans tidesages however are “clean” in as how they are represented as priests/mages and therefore will gain a more prevalent position diverting from the “dirty” practices commonly represented by wows shamanism. They are mainly told and shown to be magic crafters with a solid role in any sea relevant actions as to blessing ships and hampering the seas wrath. Not to mention a faith and devotion based non-aggressive tone is shown, not to say that shamans are a combat focused role, they are and will always be a primary leader/support class (in lore) with rare displays of extreme power.
What I fear is that shamans in WoW will become a so “clean” a practice that ANY race can adopt it. A very similar fate as the paladin class.