Language in Public chats

Tolerance is part of decency and yet they don’t want to tolerate other languages in ““their”” space.

Complete hypocrite.

Then they go further and try to justify it as them having decency and others not. I guess this is the post fact / post truth world.

But the Japanese don’t hate or dislike westerners as far as I’m aware? I do they think experience us as having a very different cultural mentality in some ways, and that may create a bit of a gap. I don’t think that is hostility tho? I may be wrong obviously, simply not the impression I’ve had over the years myself :slight_smile:

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Personally, I think that a public chat in a game, is a “public space”.

I don’t think people should “get banned” for speaking a different language publicly hehe, but it IS rude if the reason is out of laziness or “just to be different”.

All you can really do is just to ignore it, since it is one of those grey areas, where you would need to know more context about “why” the choose to not speak English… and at that point it is blowing things out of proportion. :slightly_smiling_face: So it is what it is.

This is about my main stance on the matter.

Somewhat self centered to think they are trying to brainwash you instead of just saying there opinion and trying to explain it, but since I also live in a european country I can see how one could easily come to think that. Some people are somewhat aggressive about their views, which is an entire problem in itself.

i wouldn’t say especially european countries, most countries have atleast someone they aren’t a direct fan off.

See the problem with this is every emotion does this, you can see it when a new couple are arguing about something together, even though they share possibly a different view then the other, often you will find them defending each other cause the love they have for that person clouds their judgements. This is of course not always true but for the most part atleast at the early early start. But yes emotions cloud jedgement this is true for all of them as bias is, as much as we try to avoid it, impossible to avoid entirely. Tu reduce, yes, to completely get rid of? Highly unlikely.

Not always, racism is an effective tool to preserve ones culture, for better or for worse. This can be seen for example with the black tribes we have yet to make contact with since they are aggressive and attack any foreign object or person they see. Say what you will, but they are able to preserve one of the oldest cultures to my knowledge.

Actually, being a german myself I have come across this a few times, believe it or not people are still alive from when that happened. As much as forgiveness is preached and is imho a good thing, I can fully understand some hatred still being alive among the hearts of the people that have been scarred. (also btw, I don’t act german at all, ssimply mentioning where I live and that I’m german is enough sometimes).

This is true, tolerance is indeed a part of decency that all should have. But this does not mean it shouldn’t go both ways. By this I mean for instance, if you go somewhere they will tolerate you being in their country eating their food and experiencing their culture, and won’t/ideally shouldn’t be rude to you or get in your way, and treat you like a normal person. And as a guest in a country you should also tolerate their way of life, this does not mean you need to follow their traditions or way of doing things, simply not to disrupt or intentionally do so(because sometimes it is hard to know all traditions) those who live there, the question in this case is if that includes knowing a few keywords of their language, in my eyes yes, but it is different depending on who you are and how easy it is for you.

The word tolerance is very often used to justify or force one party to completely accept something, but that is not how it should be. Tolerance is both sides coming to a middleground where both can go about their days without friction, not one side simply being told to “suck it up” for lack of better words.

I can only agree. Interestingly enough, the older I’m getting, the more I realise tolerance may seem the right solution, but yet you have to consider the cost. Whether I or someone else pay that price is irrelevant, you have to ask whether tolerance truly is the right course in this or that situation. And this shifts again when it comes to dealing with individual people, or whether you contemplate the concept and theory behind it.

It’s more complex than I used to think. And I don’t automatically count a ‘Whatever, it is not inconveniencing me.’ as a display of tolerance. It can be many things, indifference, laziness, making fun of others or disparaging them (which by definition could be called intolerant paradoxically enough). And only through discussion, asking, being curious, you get to see which one it is.

Fascinating stuff.

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It’s important to remember that tolerance is not an absolute good or evil. While it’s admirable to be tolerant, it can quickly become a weakness if it allows people to take advantage of you. As a society, we have become more tolerant due to advancements in technology and medicine, which have allowed us to take on more risks. However, it’s important to remember that alternative lifestyles were not allowed in the past for a reason - they spread diseases that were far more horrific than they are now.

Adults with a properly developed brain aren’t mean and nasty for the sake of it, they do have the ability to empathize. While emotions can run high, if millions of people agree on something, there is sound reason for it. It’s not up to outsiders to judge or change the cultural standards of a society. If you don’t agree with it, don’t engage with it. Going into someone else’s region and trying to change their ways will only breed hostility and racism.

It’s important to understand that tolerance is not a virtue, but rather an outcome. If we take away technology, our tolerance will drop. It’s unfair and racist to judge societies that have had to deal with harsher conditions as lesser for being more insular. We must acknowledge that context is king and our standards are not universally applicable. What works for us will not work for them because we are not them. They are from completely different traditions and therefore will have completely different outcomes.

When you are in another region they aren’t tolerating your culture/way of life, they are tolerating your presence.

Stop, I can’t any more… :rofl:

Ahh, I see, undercover homophobic rant.

Medical science didn’t know the causes of diseases until relatively recently. Hell, 100 years back they didn’t even appreciate the importance of hygiene. Doctors would literally have their hands in someones guts in an operation then move to deliver a baby (hence high infant mortality etc). Something as simple as hygiene was a complete game changer.

Yet here you are making the argument “alternative lifestyles” weren’t tolerated because a society that couldn’t figure out that soap prevented disease could somehow see that “alternative lifestyles” caused disease?

I thought I just disagreed with you, I’m starting to find you repugnant, trying to defend the indefensible through contrived lies.

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No, homosexual lifestyles are a minority and don’t lead tonthis if they are careful but in the past no one new about microorganisms, so as technology and medicine advanced we became more tolerant of them. Instead of throwing your uncounsius bias around because you don’t like people who disagree with you you should listen more.

The actual example I was working off was the most deadly and prominent alternative lifestyle in the West which is the average straight man going to a gentleman’s club and contracting TB and syphilis. This would lead doctors to isolate you in a basement where you die a slow painful death as the disease crawls up your spinal cord and into your brain becoming neurosyphilis where you would go mad and scratch your brains out as the disease eat your brain.

But you have proved my point about the type of person you are. Via huge leaps in logic and your own ugly personality, you label people these wild insults in order to feel like you are morally correct when it just comes off as emotional immaturity and ignorance.

Also soap doesn’t stop STDs :joy:

Liar.

To make sure I wasn’t misunderstanding your intentions I googled “alternative lifestyle” and most of them say variations on the following. There was no "huge leap in logic. And also in what world is going to a gentlemans club or being promiscuous talked about as an “alternative lifestyle”?

Plausible deniability is meant to be, ya’know - plausible. Try harder.

Noun[edit]

alternative lifestyle (plural alternative lifestyles)

  1. Any lifestyle generally perceived to be outside the norm of its culture.
  2. (euphemistic, dated) Homosexuality, or other LGB identity or behavior.

3.Since getting divorced, I’ve been going to bathhouses because I’m interested in exploring an alternative lifestyle.*

Also, didn’t you place me on ignore? I do so love a person that stands by their word.

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You have just used the dictionary wrong :rofl:.

Alternative lifestyles can be applied to “ 1. Any lifestyle generally perceived to be outside the [norm]”

Do you know what’s outside the norm of a Christian society? Going to a brothel.

Though I might retract my statement about education on medical issues making people more tolerant since you thought soap stopped disease via bodily fluids.:joy:

Also, you are on ignore but I’m just clicking on the hidden statement since I saw you jump in immediately and I knew it would be good.

I didn’t just use one, as I explained, I checked about half a dozen links and they all mentioned what I did. If you choose to decide it means something like that ^^, well you’re the exception here. (and not in a good way)

In the 16th through 19th centuries, syphilis was one of the largest public health burdens in prevalence, symptoms, and disability,[105]: 208–209 [106] although records of its true prevalence were generally not kept because of the fearsome and sordid status of sexually transmitted infections in those centuries

You’re an utterly dishonest person. It’s very clear what I was trying to illustrate. Also, all this just down to “brothels”? Super alternative!!! /s

I chose to decide what it meant, you dredged up half a dozen links and then chose the one that validated what I said.

You have just proven my point :joy: That it was one of the most common issues and was so outside of the norm that it would destroy marriages. Do you think before you type or are your emotions so high that cannot think in a logical manner because you are desperate to call someone something?

Communication consists of a transmitter and receiver.

If you don’t take the receiver into account then thats not very smart is it?

“How will this be understood?” - Did this basic never cross your mind?

The dictionary agreed with me. If anything it’s your bias and definition of “alternative lifestyle” which causes the issues. Thats a you problem, that causes you to act in a horrible manner.

Man you guys are exhaustingly cirtical of each other for no reason, she never thought of how other will percieve her and you never thought of how she might have intended it.

Unfortunately you are both acting like children, arguing for the sake of it.

100% I’m doing it because this was fun and I expected her to take it the way the dictionary says. It is like talking with someone who dropped out of high school.

As much as it’s fun to critique someone for a reaction, spreading negativity without humor is not sometthing I think should be done, so lets just calm down, this was solved, no need for comments or statements we all know will trigger the other person okay?

Everyone just takes a deep breath and switches to another topic, lets let this one die nice and peacefully before a blue name gets involved for racism allegations, then we are all at risk here.

“General consensus is the word means this, but I decided it means something different”

Saulesteia 2023*

Eyyyyy, this is an attempt to spark a reaction with nothing to gain from it.

Just put your guns down and go for a walk, like damn, or go get a massage or something.

I’ll do it just for you.

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