Language in Public chats

You certainly did as I pointed out, and I can certainly live with the fact I can perfectly comprehend that different people have different, all kind of opinions, that is why forums, and arguing exist to clash those different opinions in a cultured manner, but the same apply to you. Not everyone agree with you aswell, and your opinion is not an universal truth. Have fun!

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The ticket screenshot I linked yesterday at least in 2019 disputed this. The GM in it said you should speak the server language in public chat. If anyone wants to prove it’s fake, feel free obviously, but it would align with the original rules a long time ago. The fact they never openly changed those seems to suggest it was never changed.

Whether it is enforced is a different matter of course :slight_smile: And if someone asks a question in a different language about the game or to find others of their nationality that shouldn’t be penalised, I’m guessing that’s why Blizzard was never super strict with it afaik. Europe is a big enough region with not all countries having access to either French, German or English education.

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One of the best virtues is showing acceptance to foreigners who don’t know your culture but want to learn.
I don’t say that i’m going to change them, it’s just a simple fact and xenophobia isn’t a virtue nor a good trait

Yet they aren’t showing xenophobia, they have been taken advantage of by 5+ years and had their dynamic constantly ruined. There is showing acceptance and then there is just being naive. You shouldn’t have to VET everything about someone because the issues have gotten so bad.

Accepting people from other cultures is fine accepting people who cause problems isn’t. Sure it’s not everyone but happens enough now for people not to even want to take the risk. You shouldn’t be blaming them but the bad apples make it harder for everyone else. You see there are people out there who do genuinely try to learn the language, culture etc but now don’t get the chance because the goodwill has run dry. To mix with people of foreign cultures as an outsider especially one where people are so polite by default is a privilege.

I would say it is…debatable?
On the same reddit post one of the comments have a link to the PT-BR forum to a topic that was closed by a response from blizzard saying this:
(obviously only translated with google only)
" Closing this topic as this information is not correct. You can speak another language in the game, but if it is something toxic/inappropriate you will be subject to punishment in both Portuguese, English and any other language.
If you are punished for this, please contact support to verify.
If people are reporting because they speak another language, that person can be punished."
Topic was from 2019 aswell. So does not seem like that blizzard has any consistency with this matter.

And how do you exactly know? Because i know few people who have been in japan via exchange progamm and every single one confirmed that there are prejudices considering foreigners.

I don’t care how you would possibly justify it, xenophobia is xenophobia, you might as well try to explain to me why third reich was understandable, everything has a reason, overreacting exists too.

Cool motive still xenophobia

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If you look for racism you will see it everywhere even in places it doesn’t exist. If you listen to their grievances and the reasons why they are doing it you will understand that it’s not racism and rather logical since it has nothing to do with your race but how you act.

If I understood correctly, that was specifically for the US, and that seemed to indicate the US and EU have different rules there.

(And yes, they should have just made Latin servers there, with the Spanish client available anyway.)

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No, this sentence doesn’t make sense

Last country that i lived in tried to brainwash me with bullcrap about why we must despise or attack number of countries for past grievances.
Grievances aren’t a good reason, we all have past grievances for each other, especially european countries. Hate isn’t a good reason for anything, because it clouds judgement.

Your perception of something clouds reality, if you think a group is racist you will see every action they take that benefits their well-being through the prism of racism when it could just be a sensible reaction.

I do this in my country if there a neighbourhood known for stabbings, drug abuse and crime. There is now an area of the country I’m no longer going to and people I’m no longer socialising with. I do not care if they are Christ incarnate, I ain’t talking to them and I’m heading in the opposite direction.

Minimising risk isn’t racism and European countries aren’t special we just had better technology, everyone else has been doing it far longer and has caught up to us or surpassed us in the technology department. Big Whoop.

I don’t think that’s the case for Japan, from what I know (which is limited, I’ll admit :wink: ). I think it’s more the natural clash between very different cultures, where what you subconsciously extract from (both verbal and non-verbal) communication suddenly leads to misunderstandings, and through that, friction despite good intentions on both sides.

The parents of a close friend of mine are Japanese and came to live in the Netherlands before she was born. She’s been to Japan many times to visit family, sometimes for longer periods. We’ve had conversations on these kind of topics and it was interesting to see the different perspectives, even for her herself, as fundamentally she identifies herself more as Dutch than Japanese.

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I used to live in Asia, I went to Singapore, Vietnam, Thailand and Japan growing up. It’s never as simple as that country is racist and it’s very reductive.

Did I experience racism? yes. Did I experience hospitality and kindness? Yes? When I went home did I experience my own people being mean to me? Yes.

People were cruel but just about different things and they used anything to make it hurt. Instead of making it about colour or accent, it became hair colour and sexuality. People will use anything

It’s less the country is racist and 80% of the time that person is had a bad day and is taking it out on you, then 15% of the time, I have acted in a culturally inappropriate manner that reflects not only on me but others like me, as I am an ambassador for my people, especially in a nation which has little to no experience with them and the other 5%, is people who just don’t want you there but they are usually older and have experience with your people via a conflict. Some people just don’t like you the minute they see you.

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I agree yeah, I think those kind of generalisations are unhelpful, and paint a small part of the whole picture. The more you understand the picture in its entirety, the more you can usually see why things are that way, or why they are actually not that way once you look past the surface. Cultural identity is a complex subject anyway, and often as hard to answer correctly for the observer as the participant in that culture :wink:

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Examples of instances when racism benefits well-being for people? Racism isn’t about feeling dangerous around groups, it’s irrational hatred

And how exactly it translates to prejudices against foreigners that entered country via legitimate ways? They aren’t immigrants they can’t affect your culture, and they are probably somewhat eductated and interested in it

And your analogy isn’t even comparable to xenophobia

Japan is far more modernised than it was like 50 years ago, they are very much understand western culture, ended days when information was hard to get and communication was restricted.

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I don’t argue against that. I don’t think modernisation automatically means ‘and therefore now they are a western country!’ tho :slight_smile: They are in some ways, and in others they are not because they are Japanese.

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There is no talking to someone like you, it genuinely just comes across as a projection. I’m just gonna block and move on.

I love how people conflate modernisation with Western liberalism when it just means I have an iPhone. Technology doesn’t turn China into Germany and it never will.

Lol all that pesudo intellectual babble and all youve done is out yourself as a xenophobe and a hypocrite.

Blocking everyone who disageees with is you another sign of intellectual rigor - a self made echo chamber.

Lol.

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You don’t need to be other country culture to know things like acceptance and understanding. I don’t see Israeli people hating germans for almost complete genocide, and their culture is distinct

Indeed, you are too uneductated and brain-numbed to understand me, so much excuses to not be a decent person is astounding tbh.

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In a way its already rude to be using a language that the other party doesnt know, even if they are not saying slurrs and whatnot.

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