Legion Remix - Mage Tower

I do like your way of thinking, but I would prefer it to be keystone hero, keystone master is more like bronze/silver, but hero is the gold version imo.

All the things that you correctly pointed out, were in the BMAH before coming back. That is the justification they used to bring them back, since technically they were in the game, but just hard to get.

The limited rewards locked behind challenge modes were never brought back, like mop challenge mode sets, wod weapons, and mage tower appearances. The one thing that I would bet on, would be to make recolors/remakes of those since:

  • It is something they have done before and have no problem doing it as many times again
  • It will be hyped since unobtainable appearances will be obtainable (sort off) again
  • It will be a reward for everyone, since no one will have the appearances and most of the players will want to get those
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yes at one point they were in the game, same with the challenge mods/MT - but OG naxx got scrapped, and we got the remake of t3 in WOTLK tier sets - naxx literally disappeared and went off the map. And now it suddenly has come back, in 2 ways to get the tier pieces.

EDIT: Tier set of Naxx, where not on BMAH or obtainable after it got scrapped, due to BMAH was not even invented before MoP.

ZG also got scrapped due to deathwing and cataclysm

BFA brutosaurus was said to only be available during BFA, and would be removed in the prepatch to shadowlands, and it did, but mysteriously came back.

One can argue that all of those was a challenge, 40 man raid in Classic with the system/internet lines back in the day, were a challenge by itself

5 mill gold, were also a challenge for people (in a different way ofcourse, but you get my point i suppose)

So they always go back on their ‘‘time limited’’ stuff, but I don’t see why specifically MT and CM should not?

I mean I would be happy with recolors as well, but I do hate the FOMO mindset, why?
Well, answer me this:

Why does PvP Elite set and mounts have to be limited and non unobtainable after a season, BUT, mythic raiding, one can literally solo 2 expansions later and get the same rewards PvE players challenged themself for? Does not make sense in any way, shape or form.

They it comes to the argument people tend to use ‘‘If MT/CM is coming back, bring back all the unobtainable, pvp titles, mounts, gear.’’
My answer, yes bring it back, but lock it behind the challenge, make people get Glad title and make old items purchasable by tokens earned at that rating, achievments have a date for a reason, but why lock such good designs for the rest?
No one is asking for anything for free either, so i don’t see why it should be gone, and locked .

Edit2: Also there is a lot of unused color variations of all the challenge mod gear that never got used, but are in the game files, wonder what happened to those

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My bad, i don’t really do dungeons.

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By saying that they were in the game, but just hard to get, i meant that they were in the BMAH.

Every reward that you stated that came back, was available at the BMAH either when it got removed (the brontosaur for example, which said that it will be in the BMAH BEFORE removing it) or on the release of BMAH (tier 3, zg mounts). You could have asked for clarifications instead of going on an essay about challenge :stuck_out_tongue: .

As for why have the FOMO, main reason is wow being a live service game. They have the rewards available in the game to drive players to play at the current time instead of playing 1-2 months and taking a break for 2-3 years.

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Easy, because raids can be repeatable content in 2-3 years in the future for another part of the playerbase, while pvp not so much.

For pvp if you cannot be a glad one season, you probably won’t be able to make it in 2 years also.

But for mythic raid, it is 100% for raiders, but in 2 years the chance becomes 1%, and then the target audience changes from the mythic raider, to the mount collector, which has a way different play mode (it’s repurposing of content).

I’m allowed to write, and give my opinions, just as much as you are, so maybe be more specific then next time to not get caught up in missunderstandings :slight_smile:

Still doesn’t make sense to why it should continue doing Fomo, when ‘’‘time limited’’ stuff suddenly just comes back to BMAH or in other ways to get it in the future.

It’s not the first time blizzard has broken their promises, so again, one can still be hopefull for it all to come back

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It doesn’t make sense that they are using a tactic that makes them more money?

They charge the same rate for everyone same month, that means that they benefit for people being subbed for longer. By using FOMO and spreading the content across several months they are getting more money.

Yeah it mind suck as a player, but not much you can do.

Well that can go both ways, people in the end gets sick of fomo and stops playing, due to missing out?

well one thing you can do is to wait it out, and probably will be returned back.

Probably in the end, all those classic remix/relaunched realms that’s going on, will make everything you have , account wide, so if you play panda relaunch that is coming now, well, then you might also get the challenge mod gear there, available onto retail down the line. Would not surprise me.

No, because seasonal players just get bored of the game and quit anyway after some time regardless if they got what they wanted or not.

The players that remain in the game are those that participate in an end game activity, since those have friend groups in the game most of the time, and are more heavily invested in the game.

They do not really care for players that will get sick of “FOMO” since those players just come and go seasonally, and even if you bring back all the removed items, you will lose them after 1-2 months. They only care about converting the casual players that play 1-2 months each season/expansion to invested players.

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Think we can agree to disagree tbh, both got different PoVs

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Were the T3 gear pieces always advertised as not coming back though, that they are a one time thing? I have a feeling they weren’t, nor were the ZG mounts either. T3 pieces are also stupidly expensive, and if I remember right you need the help of someone who got the original tier before.

The Brutosaur was advertised from the last season of BFA atleast (though I recall it being mentioned in S3 as well) that it is time limited, and will be removed. It did get on the BMAH, but outside of one showing up after its removal there were no Brutosaurs dropping from the chest up until recently. Even then the original Brutosaur has the same amount of chance for a player to appear as super rare mount drops, and those chests used to go for gold cap, so most of the playerbase will never see the mount at all, so I think that still retains their exclusivity to an extent.

Both the CM and MT pieces were advertised as an expansion feature, that will become unavailable once the next expansion launches. I remember that they did try to bring the CM sets back, but in the end they ended up dropping the idea (likely because of the backlash) and they only added it without the belt sparkle effect and the extra shoulder props. This to me implies that Blizzard sees losing players who quit because they cannot get these appearances compared to those old timers who got them and quit because they brought it back to be the lesser of two evils.

Mythic raid’s cannot really have anything that permanently goes away, as the playerbase would be up in arms about it, which I think stems from WOTLK times when people were screaming really loud on the forums about the Plagued and Bronze proto-drake becoming unobtainable. Even then I would not call the mounts dropping from there “available” as after the expansion is over those mounts have a sub 1% drop rate. Some get it after a few runs, some after thousands of runs, while others will never see it ever.

Color variations can still be utilized for this purpose however, as that give option for everyone to have access to the models of the weapons, and those who have the MT versions can also get a new tint for themselves this way.

In the end FOMO only works while people keep doing it, and Blizzard as to thread carefully about them. The moment you give back something that was advertised like how those were “get it in this expansion before it goes away forever” you basically tell your players that you can just wait long enough for these items to return. It means FOMO stops working and it will not work as a driving force to keep people subbed.

For the record from raiding the things that remain unobtainable are the challenge-based appearances (The honored dead set from the Chosen title for example) and Curve mounts. Curve mounts were also advertised as not coming back, and I do not recall Blizzard bringing any of them back either (yet atleast). They had the option to bring the Garrosh Curve mount back for Remix and they decided not to do so.

I personally think they won’t bring the originals back. The best people can hope for are recolors.

MoP remix didnt bring back the CM sets so Legion remix aint going to bring back the MT weapon skins either. Nor should it.

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You’re right, they didn’t. But Panda Classic is coming, and they will return. And if they plan on doing WoD and Legion as well, in the end, it might just turn into Account wide :slight_smile:

True, but they brought back Obsidian World Breaker and the Core Hound mount, that was supposed to be limited to the timewalking events.

I personally think they would, due to as mentioned, MoP Classic, and down the path WoD and Legion relaunch, in the end, it will become account wide, so can be used on retail

  • recolors to, might be brought back, im all for it. Bring it all back

That’ll never happen sadly.

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they specificly stated before it launched classic will always stay seperate so people whould not feel the need to farm now removed stuff in classic

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Wasn’t both the core hound and the obsidian worldbreaker coming from anniversary events? Did they also advertise them as “it will be gone after the event ends”? I personally do not recall them mentioning that during it. They were also not connected to challenging content in any form.

They explicitly said before though that classics will remain disconnected from retail accounts. We had multiple classic variants before and we still do not have these things account-wide. In that case they have a choice to make: Piss off people who did not participate in the classic rushes since it was stated they will not make these account-wide, or do not do so and only have a few complainers who will advocate for it happening.

Eventually it will become account-wide, but that will be at the point where the playebase dwindled to such low numbers that there is little for them to lose.

In the end I do not think that either camp will be happy regardless of what happens.

Yeah but you can not use them in retail so its a moot point.

I actually asked Blizzard about it in a ticket, and they said they couldn’t give an answer to it at this moment here is their response:

Greetings, ***.
I am Game Master Chraendan, summoned by the arcane forces of Azeroth to stand by your side. Your call has echoed through the realms, and I have emerged to help you with whatever challenge lies ahead! ⚔️?️

I’m truly grateful you’ve reached out, rest assured, your concern is now my top priority. I understand how frustrating it can be when things don’t go according to plan, especially after you’ve put so much into your journey. Fear not, we’ll work together to find a solution!

I see you have some questions and I can sense how much this means to you, however I am sorry to let you know that this is information we don´t have, so I would like to advise you to keep an eye on the forums, as any information about this or future announcements will be published through this channels.

I also want to let you know that what you asked would be a great idea, so, as my fellow GM advised you, I would like to encourage you to share your voice. We value all feedback as it helps us improve and provide a better experience for players. Your feedback could play an important part in taking this to our devs team attention so we can improve this for the future. They are the only ones who have the power to make changes, so sharing your experience is really important.

It’s been a pleasure assisting you, and I hope I was able to clarify everything to you. If you ever have any other questions or need further help, don’t hesitate to contact us again. We’re always here for you, no matter the time, day or night. Wishing you the best of luck in your future quests and may your adventures be full of rewards!

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So who knows :slight_smile: You might be able to

Define challenging content? I didn’t find mage tower back in the day to be challenging at all - and WoD/Panda CM? You know people were selling boosts right, so not really a challenge either

Well we will see what happens, nothing more to do bout it