It is clearly unfair that horde can not make premades.
However if alliance would be stomped with horde premades then there would hardly be any alliance pug running, so horde queue time would be between 3 hours and never and it would be always against alliance premades.
oQueue was doing this.
Wanna know what Blizzard did about it when they broke the addon? They introduced the xrealm LFG system retail has today. So clearly, people “circumventing” (if you are desperate enough to call it such) the in game limitations by using external communication, are not much of a concern of Blizzard’s, but rather has historically been endorsed.
Qing AV now is exactly like Qing AV was in 2005. No exploits here.
And people using region wide AV Premade discord are gaining advantage over other people on the same faction which are not aware of it. It is exactly the same.
You can argue that one is easier than other but it’s really not. You are not even aware how exactly “bug” worked. You did not need alts for it, you just needed 11 guys instead of 10 and one guy would be rotated. 
Don’t get me wrong though! I do not support it, I’m glad it was changed back to how it was in vanilla, but your bias is just superb here.
You tagged my post - where I explain why premades are fine - and just explained to me that premades are fine
You have no clue what that part of the discussion was about
Literally full sperg just don’t @ me cuz you’re getting on my nerves really
Good - you get on mine often
As you are again here with your needless and aggressive comments
But if it makes you happy and stops you melting do continue - wouldn’t want you turning into a puddle
That’s indeed a part too, I mean why would I want to give up one perk I have (instant queue, that allows me to make premades) and give it to my enemy, after literally nothing has been done to the perk my enemy has had? (Like 3:1 ratio that allowed to render unplayable 90% of the game world)
Alliance has suffered throughout the whole phase 2 with again nothing being done on the matter, now horde is suffering and we are already calling the babysitters?
I dont see any problem there, as the horde players didnt seen any problem with the 80-20 servers either. Balance is only an issue if its affects you negatively.
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I played many different characters during my WOW “playtime”, both horde and alliance.
Switched from horde to ally with guildies and vice versa on multiple occasions and one thing is for sure, we are all humans after all but alliance had much, much more kids (TBC - WOTLK era). It is rather safe to assume this is still the case and this is explanation for quite a lot of behavior and nonsense being spilled on forums.
If you do not see a problem (FOR YOUR FACTION even worse) where people consistently queue into premades as PUGS then you are just riding your “OMG I CAN GET HONOR” spree in a Discord premade and ranking up due it. You would not rank anywhere past rank7 most likely if this was not possible or if there was option to join as group by default as you would then have competition.
I honestly feel sorry for random allies who are not aware of region wide discords for alliance premades, they are at biggest loss here if they want to rank up to any remotely “mid range” ranks.
nah, its all ok, i am going for rank 8 and slowly going up as solo player.
You will not get there solo except by playing literally 24hours a day as alliance. Trust me on that.
Not if you are on a remotely good server where there is competition. If you are on the server where there is somewhat decent amount of people pvping but competition is not fierce then you might get it solo.
You are not aware how honor system functions and how bad 20% decay is after rank6.
i am 7-50% atm, i will see, this is last week i try for 8
You will need to be half way in the bracket 10 to reach rank8 next week if you are at 50% of rank7 now.
Depending on the server bracket10 is playing ( in a premade) anywhere from 5 to 8 hours a day for alliance side.
Love when u make ally premade to lose 40min AV, so much time and honor wasted for them!
“unfair to horde”
kEkW
Go back to retail
l2p
pvp in pvp server
did i miss anything?
i give up :D, i am around 80% of 7 now, but i found that spaming BGs so boring, and i dont need that ranks, anyway i can kill warlords as sergeant.
And lookt at pvp comunity, whinners, fotm morons and everything i dont want be part of 
Because ally have better pve racials, try not to think too hard next time you will hurt yourself.
Yea, it sucks + it is insanely, insanely time consuming. Its even more time consuming if you are PUGing it due fact that you cannot match AV premades honor per hour in any way.
hello there, i made it, i am rank 8, without very intesive spam of BGs
The only one stopping you is you. You have access to premade AVs.
Not that you need it. Alliance premades never defend. You can just get all the commanders, lieutenants and Vanndar with no resistance. If you have 1 tank, 1 healer and 1 dps you’re good to go.
Nice to hear. 
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