LET TWINKS queue bgs with levelers!

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Entirely true.

That’s cause it’s at max level. When you level up that’s what you have to look forward to. Getting railed until you get some gear. Please tell me one valid reason that should be allowed during the leveling process other than make twinks feel better?

The difference is twinks just wanna rail over lower geared players non stop. That’s it.

I’m sure that you have convinced yourselves that high end PVP is exactly what you do to noobs, namely stomping them into the ground, but there’s some competition involved there too.

Competition is not your thing and you can lie in my face all you want. It’s been proved without a doubt that twinks only get off on murdering normal leveling players.

More lying. Twinks dominated low level battlegrounds for a long time. Low level battlegrounds were so infested with the twink disease that people refused to queue any more.

What happened when people complained on the forums about the rising twink infestation? They got swarmed by twinks swearing to God that they only want to fight other twinks and that the respective no twink players were just in the way.

So Blizzard called their BS, exiled them to their own battlegrounds where they could fight each other at their leisure and what happened next? Twinking dropped dead.

Stop lying.

They are certainly not gonna bother try enjoying them if you twinks had your way. Max level battlegrounds won’t be balanced for people who just step inside them after hitting the level cap. True. But please tell me, how does that justify you doing the same on low levels.

Face it twinks, you blew it. Give us a break with your arrogant begging to be put back in leveling battlegrounds. Go to Classic if you want to relive your glory days.

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Oh look, another person downplaying twinks. We all know what type of people you are, you want to fight people who don’t stand a chance. Comparing 120 to twinking is also hilarious. Nice fake quote, I never said they asked for their own bgs. What I did say was is that xp on and off got seperated, twinks always claimed they wanted to fight other twinks, but all of the sudden queue’s wouldn’t pop anymore. We all knew at that moment that all that twink talk was utter bs.

But it’s also good to see that you don’t really give a sh*t about new players, who cares if they have a terrible time, who cares if they leave the bgs, who cares if queue times become even larger. But then again, that was already obvious.

Your post really isn’t new, all twinks use the same m.o., aka downplaying how powerfull they are, and lieing about wanting to fight other twinks. Truth is, you people get off on fighting people who don’t stand a chance.

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With freshie, at levels 10-30 you’ll be missing:

  • shoulders ( they become common at ~35-40)
  • at least one ring
  • both trinkets (they usualy start dropping very late)
  • most of the gear will be green, with a couple blues. To get epic upgrade - you need RNG luck.

Just try to level fresh empty character to 25, and see what gear and stats he will have. I think you will be in for a little shock, that there are no full epic sets at that level, not even close.

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Correction:

People cry about twinks because twinking is stupid.

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If I’m that undergeared, and I know what other options are there, then I will of course not queue into a PvP mode, because I don’t want to be destroyed. However, 95%+ of the playerbase has heirlooms, and easy access to a lot of gold, with which you can buy enchants.

And by the way, queue random BGs without corrutpions, proper azerite gear, leggo cloak, and pve trinkets. You’ll get destroyed just like you would get destroyed if you que BGs without being prepared properly.

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Make an actual argument.

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Why should I?

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Because you are contributing nothing to the conversation.

You believe that the covenant choice is an actual RPG element. Then why isn’t twinking an RPG element, when you can maximize yourself out? Why isn’t it RPG like, when the most prepared, and the better player can defeat others?

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How would you know? Did you ever know anyone that spent time doing it? In any case, even if it were 100% true that this was the only reason, how would it be any different to 120 pvp?

Any level you can get geared, as proved by twinks. Max is just some arbitrary stopping point. You are waffling.

Well apart from the fact that BG’s didn’t use to give xp, and even know are a terrible choice for levelling…why do you think the whole world has to run on the rails you set out? Other people like to stop somewhere and treat that as their endgame, I have no idea why you think you can dictate what everyone should do. Still, Ion would love you for it.

That is exactly what a lot of max level pvpers want to do, I guarantee it. Not all of them, but a lot of them for sure.

Nope. But thanks for asking. I’ll not touch that strawman of yours.

Bold of you to assume that this game matters. Or that people playing twinks exclusively play twinks. Sounds like a ‘you’ issue.

You should work for Trump, he has similar standards of proof.

I’ll stop here, because you obviously don’t have a clue about this. Twinks dominated a few battlegroups out of many, in most they were a small minority. I know this because I was in a lot of those bg’s. You don’t know this because you are just making things up.

As I said: There are many, many ways blizzard could have kept both groups happy, which were suggested at the time. Twinks were spiked because the current dev team don’t like them.

Don’t bother replying, I won’t be reading your stuff. You clearly have not the first idea what you are talking about and you definitely weren’t there.

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There are no templates. With more gear you do more damage but its all recalculated to %. So if your ability does 2% of hp as damage in PvP, with more gear you can make it do 5%. This way more gear means more damage, but it never leads to “one shotting” lower geared people, but you are stronger with gear.

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I am mostly conserned about the very fresh players. Well they will see they can join some pvp action, in hopes to find similar level players and if they can enjoy it from the get go (lvl 10+), there are bigger chances that player will stay in the game.
If we allow twinks to target dummy them, we only making happy like 50 people, instead of potential thousands. It’s a trade-off Blizz will never agree to.
Pure questing and dungeon spam gets very old very quick at the current 120levels mountain.
As for heirloom players with gold and enchants - yes they have a fighting chance and usualy they outlevel these low brackets quickly anyways, so connecting them to twinks would do no harm at all since they probqbly got stomped at max lvl BG anyways (it took me couple hours to get 25 - 45 in wetlands from pure questing with few arena skirmish wins).

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Abit skeptical about this.

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If they queue into a PvP mode in the lvl19 bracket, and then get scared off PvP because he was destroyed, then said player should have never queued into a PvP mode to begin with. PvP is ultimately about getting better so you can defeat others. Getting decimated is the path of the course.

Said new player will also get destroyed at 120. And if you know any of those new players, send them my way, I will help them. I’m not BSing right now. Actually send them to me, I’ll help them out.

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And I was there at the time with both twinked and non-twinked characters. There was no mass call for seperate BG’s, you are just making that up. Most people knew it would kill it because you didn’t have enough population to sustain regular BG’s.
Coincidentally, q times for non-twinks also rocketed aswell, effectively taking the option of the table for both groups.

Oh my bleeding heart. This is the online equivalent of shouting ‘THINK OF THE CHILDREN’ to shut down an argument.
People who like pvp will have to cope with getting destroyed at some point, or they will stop. Doesn’t matter if that is at 19, 39 or 120. If you can’t deal with it, you won’t be doing PvP for long at any level.

Clearly not you. Removing twinks destroyed low level queue times for years. Something you would know if you weren’t just making things up.

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At the time I know 0, but I saw several non-heirloom players while I was leveling my new BM.
It’s ok to get beaten once or twice.
It’s not ok to be beaten every single bg you would queue.
As twinks have their little bracket, freshies should have theirs as well.
As for veteran heirloom players - they kinda fit in both worlds.

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Why though? It’s completely fine to be absolutely destroyed in PvP, as that should encourage you to get better. Sure, there are absolutely broken stuff out there (20-39 restodruid and arcane mage, hunter till ~70-80), but those are class design issues, not twink issues.

It’s the exact same case as in CSGO - if you die every round, lose every game, assuming the enemy side didn’t have a cheater, then it’s most likely YOU who’s doing it wrong.

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Twinking was fun back when low levels were also fun & time consuming.
These days it’s just trying to abuse under geared people who probably just want a break from the repetitive dungeons / quests.

Can’t really get better at low levels though.
Get better = stop playing BGs and just go back to questing.

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Twinks can piss off, frankly.

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Sure, as I said, skill only really starts to kick in when you get to 39 and above, but that 1 line just proves you are a bad player. Sure, you don’t have as many buttons as you could at 120, but that also doesn’t mean the game becomes less of a skillgame, and more of a gear game. But it’s not only about getting better, it’s about becoming more knowledgeable about why exactly semi twinks and twinks can do so well.