Let us talk about State of Raiding at SoM Vanilla atm

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This concerns server DREADNAUGHT PVP, the most populous server.

Introduction:

Unwanted changes by the Dev Team to the Vanilla Raiding Model have led to changes on the burdens upon the players wanting to raid.

While in original Vanilla, a modest amount of farming or a modest amount of money was required every week in order to be able to raid, the Dev changes to the Raiding Model have now made the requirements-for-acceptance-into-a-raid quite extreme.

Here’s the requirements for being accepted into a Molten Core PUG copied from one of the server’s top PUG organizing guilds:

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30-40 Greater Fire pots
10 Greater Arcane protection pots
2 Restorative potions

Mana User
30+ Mana pots
Demonic/Dark rune x 10-15
Weapon oil
Food buff
Mageblood potion (when more people are crafting it)

Caster:
Greater Arcane elixir x 15
Warlocks a lot of shards.

Melee
Elixir of the Mongoose
Rogues = 20x Thistle tea
Warriors = 20x Mighty Rage potion / Greater stoneshield if you tank a bit here and there.
5 Lips for aoe taunt lip.
Juju might or Elixir of giants
Elemental Sharpening stone (Ragnaros immune to poison) Get these when more get the pattern.
Food buff
Winterfall firewater/Juju (For bosses)
Free action pots

Enchants
Hunters 15/25 Agility.
Melee Crusaders
+30 spell power/+55 Healing power
Enchant Prebis aswell look on bis lists what is the best for you.

Flasks
Bring 1
Healers - Wisdom
Casters - Supreme Power
Warriors/Rogues - Flask of Titans

First aid have it leveled to 300 and bring bandages

Failure To Bring These May Result In You Being Benched Next Time
I will keep a eye on the warcraft logs like i do weekly.

Be PVE spec
Try to bring a douse every week.

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The big difference with Vanilla is the requirement for Melee Classes to bring a Flask of the Titans due to the extreme & ridiculous amount of damage bosses as well as trash now deal as well as the extreme number of Greater Fire Protection Potions now required for the same reason.

A Flask of the Titans costs 86 gold, a GFPP costs 3.5 gold, a Mongoose Elixir 1.2g, Resto Potions 5g each, Thistle Tea 1g per, Elemental Sharpening stone 6g per, Winterfall Firewater 6.1g per, Winterfall E’ko 1.2g per, Winter Squid 0.5g per.

Let me run you a bill here considering that in our last MC run we suffered 10 wipes, 7 of those at Ragnaros:

Flask of the Titans X 2 = 172 gold
Greater Fire Protection Potion x 40 = 140 gold
Mongoose x10 = 12 gold
Resto Potions x 2 = 10 gold
Thistle Tea X20 = 20 gold
Elemental Sharpening Stone X6 (Ragnaros & Baron Geddon) = 36 gold
Winterfall Firewater x10 = 61 gold
Winterfall E’ko X10 = 12 gold
Winter Squid x10 = 5 gold +

GRAND TOTAL: 468 (FOUR HUNDRED AND SIXTY-EIGHT) gold

This is ridiculous Blizzard and it’s all your fault.

You transformed raiding from a leisurely activity meant to be fun to a full time 60 hour per week day job. I have to farm 60 hours per week to afford all the consumables required or alternatively, I will have to swipe my credit card and pay the Chinese or Slav gold sellers a couple of hundred euros per week in order to just be able to raid.

And I am one the lucky ones as I got accepted into one of the very few PUGs in the server that’s still non-GDKP.

The other alternative is GDKP, over 90% of the raids organized in the server now are GDKP.

GDKP is a Chinese and Russian import into EU servers, meaning that an auction is created for each and every item that drops in a Raid and the highest bidder win. This creates a self-sustaining eco-system wherein constant demand for gold purchasing and work for professional gold-sellers is created and sustained.

Four weeks ago people in a guild I know all got epic mounts for themselves after a GDKP raid wherein they conned a particularly affluent EU whale into over-bidding for every item in the raid he wanted and thus blowing over 20000 gold he had just purchased from gold-sellers in just a single raid.

We are talking about hundreds of Euros spent over a single raid on the services of third party Chinese or Slav gold-sellers, money from which you, Blizzard, do NOT get a cut.

The SOM abomination of Vanilla you have created, Blizzard, is getting rapidly being monetized. Soon, you will be swiping your credit card to pay the Gold-Sellers to do pretty much any activity in the game that matters. Even Dire Maul North and Maraudon loots is being routinely sold on server chat for gold, i.e. real money through gold-sellers.

-------------------------->Since you have absolutely no regard for Original Vanilla, at this stage one of the measures you could take to save the game is to introduce the WoW Token into SoM so as to curb the Gold Sellers and the Credit Card Swiping as well as get a Cut from all that money and all those transactions now controlled by Chinese and Russians behind your back.

AND, since you have destroyed Vanilla to such an extent as for everyone to require two flasks of the titans just to be able to finish Molten Core, YOU WOULD BETTER make Black Lotus MUCH MORE COMMON throughout the world, cause it to spawn in Un Goro crater and cause it to drop randomly from every high level herb spawned as well as remove the requirement for an alchemy lab for it to be crafted so as the prices should drop a bit.

500 gold per week for an MC raid AND another 500 gold per week for a BWL raid is unacceptable and it is ENTIRELY your fault.

Remember Blizzard what they say in the US Navy: There are NO BAD TEAMS only BAD leaders. There are no bad players as the player base has been playing this game for abt 16 years at this point, there are only bad developpers.

Wake up and save your game.

Thanks for reading.

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That’s true… Great post, me after expending 19-20h per day ranking now finded that to clean content in any raid need a hard amount of hours gathering, am not a gold buyer, so I calculate need around 5-8h(depending on lucky and ganking) per day investing on farm… They now increased alchemy pros etc.

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Well people usually know raiding is paired with farming gold for consumes

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We all knew SOM is for the harder core people who want to go more and faster. That’s built into the concept.

I was just thinking that the farming I do in ERA for our raids is a bit tedious sometimes, but that just sound crazy.

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why not I can be the supplyer for raiders instead of raiding?

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Its doesn’t cost a couple of hundred pounds/euros a week for 500g. Its like £10 or less, why do you think so many people buy gold. People don’t want to be farming 500g a week just to raid & don’t have the time to constantly farm gold.

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Most of the entry requirements to raids are just overinflated in the event said raid fails miserably and excess consumable usage is required to salvage a clear.
The majority of pugs that have been raiding consistently for the last few weeks will never require a you to pop even close to 40 fire protection potions for example.
You also seem to not have taken the extra proc into consideration, while of course it is luck based, the proc rate seems quite high.

While you make some decent points, it’s not as bad as you’re making out.

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Why dont you organize own pugs without flasks/pots/whatever ? Pretty sure there will be enough players to fill it, especialy healers :slight_smile:

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Tbh i have always disliked the system that people need potions and foodbuffs ect… for raiding, it cuts out a lot of players who dont want to farm or dont have the time to farm for consumebles from raiding or competive raiding.

design raids in a way that potions cant be used and is also not needed.
i have loads of time but even im questing with 4 chars on follow to pay my stuff for raiding in TBCC.
Most people on the servers have 2 or more accounts so they can afford raiding witch is nuts to be honest…

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Create your own raids with less requirements… problem solved. No one is forcing you, you decided to comply

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I honestly don’t see why they’d made the raids harder than they originally were. One of the charms of Classic was how relaxing dungeons and raids were. So who does this satisfy? The hardcore minority?

This is purely my subjective opinion, but this change, coupled with how short the phases are this time around, completely killed my desire to play Season of Mastery. :frowning:

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I mean, from a person who played Classic but not SoM and is looking at this from the outside… I quite don’t understand why Blizzard would retune bosses so that you need Naxx levels of consumables for every raid tier without changing spawntimes/recipes so that the overall cost of blowing out every single consume is somewhat more reasonable.

Like, I understand the desire of wanting to make tuning somewhat more tight than it was in original Classic, but you can’t do it without also making consumables widely more available. As much as the lack of worldbuffs is something I wish was a thing back when I played Classic myself, one of the things that still would never make me come back is how expensive raiding is. For comparison, in TBC all I need with my main (a tankadin) is:

  • A flask (which are now dirt cheap, I almost regret stocking up on these)
  • An oil (again, pretty dirt cheap)
  • Food (again dirt cheap)
  • Some nightmare seeds/FAPs/mana potions (the one things that still cost a bit, alongside repairs)

I guess that, if I wanted, I could splurge on engineering bombs, but it’s rly not needed with the current tuning of PvE content.

Ofc things could be more expensive if I still were a caster and had to worry about Destro Potions, but even then, the content’s not tuned to the point you need them outside SWP and pre-nerf P2, which thankfully is long gone.

Bottom line is, why would Blizz make content harder without also making consumables (which are notably expensive in Vanilla) more accessible is completely nonsensical and one of the main reasons why I’d not even consider going back.

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But they are making consumables more accessible. Spawn rates are up and there are extra proccs for alchi.

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I did hear so, but judging from what I’ve seen it still is WAY more expensive than about any other version of WoW.

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How does it cost you so much to raid in TBCC?
It’s way cheaper to raid in TBCC than in classic.
Unless the logs are broken, all I see from your consumes is cheap consumes?

  1. Food
  2. Flask
  3. Drums
  4. Maybe a scroll?(Usually not required in most guilds)
    Doesn’t take long to farm consumes in TBC.

They are, but clearly it’s an issue still as it’s expensive for those players still.

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It killed most people’s desire to play it, I think. I mean, I got a character to 60 there, but I stopped and never set foot inside any raid. Even got invited to raids; declined. The interest wasn’t there. I probably would have played SoM more if there was more focus on the world and the levelling. Maybe something like new zones with new quests. That would be exciting. But yeah, didn’t really see the point of SoM other than giving die hard R14 grinders something to do.

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So just play retail then

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great post. raiding is so expensive.

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And you thought people that can’t put in that effort then means raiding in general is just Harsh.

AHAHHAHAHAHAHAHA typical whining waaa waaaa they won’t pick me because i don’t the time required of effort for getting the requirements those pug guilds require.

Then go back to retail, where very little effort in general is required for Raiding. Besides adjusting to a schedule format.

No seriously, SoM was not meant for people like you, but you clearly want it that way cus you don’t have the time.

Go back to retail!

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SoM was made for No Lifers, not people like you whining that you have too much things to do irl with your time.

NEWSFLASH SON! Retail is exactly for you types. SoM.

IS NOT!

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