Idd…also it’s the year 2020, Blood Elves became a Horde race in 2006, 2007?
This is beyond Ground Hogs day meme levels now…always the same ‘arguments’, always the same ‘accusations’…
Does the OP and his entourage really think adding High Elves - copy paste Horde race- for the Alliance magically make more people want to play WoW? And what new angle would they even add to the games roster? Magical race? Covered by Blood Elves and Nightborne…Nature attuned? More than coveredby the Night Elves…they honestly bring nothing new in any way other than the thing the OP etc are accusing Blood Elf players off, to play a pretty gf substitute(or something).
Also this isn’t Lord of the Rings…wich actually has an mmo of it’s own btw(not nearly as succesfull as WoW but you do get to play Legolas and team up with Aragorn and Gimli to fight some one dimensional orcs and trolls)
If we extract gameplay from the equation and focus solely on the lore it’s funny how the opportunity passed them by in the winter of 2012.
I think every Alliance player and High Elf advocate should march right up to Boralus Keep and drive the overbearing witch out to sea for robbing them of their pretty elfies. Go right to the source you guys!
It’s a story dude. They change it however they want to. They can make sylvanas gay tomorrow or make sargeras the good titan. They can turn old gods into puppies and void lords into naaru’s if it made sense for the story or they needed to pursue a certain story.
To argue that it didn’t make sense at all, while considering all the reasons redundant and void, and bringing the argument of they changed the story for no reason, is a ridiculous excuse.
Alliance of stormwind did try to bring blood elves back to alliance during the time of garrosh. And thanks to your Jaina, that ended rather fast.
Do these stories have zero plot holes? No. they have a few. But when has there been a wow story with zero plotholes ?
No need to get snippy and defensive Alexima. I’m just talking here.
Of course they change it however they want, it’s their product.
They could write it into official canon that Goblins and Draenei make children together and the resulting off-spring are Titans if they wanted to.
I’m pointing out that the Blood Elves were shoe-horned into the Horde because the Horde back in the days of vanilla had few players compared to the Alliance.
And the devs knew that a big reason for that was that many preferred playing the “prettier” races of the Alliance over the “ugly” races of the Horde.
Thus they added the Blood Elves to the Horde, which near-instantly became the most played race in the game.
But just because the devs needed thing X to happen, doesn’t mean that their way of going about it makes much sense in established lore.
The stories of alliance leaving blood elves in their time of needs, nearly killing Kaelthas and the rest of them and all that happened before TBC. warcraft 3 frozen throne. Good game. Try it if you didn’t already.
Yes. I’m sure having a better looking race for horde was indeed a factor. But you guys act as if that was the only factor and the rest are just irrelevant made up stories to make it look legit, while it wasn’t.
Face it. They were treated like garbage by humans. They lost their home, source of power and everything. While horde aided them in their time of need. Sylvanas back then was still a blood elf in heart. That was before icecrown and before her death and things that changed her for good. And she saved her former people and since she was part of the horde, they joined the horde as well. There is nothing that’s too weird here.
If you want lore that made zero sense and was stupid, take a good look at void elf addition to alliance.
I’m 30 years old. I played through the entirety of Warcraft 3 and its expansion when it was new in my childhood.
And played it over many times after that, so I’m familiar with the content.
Adding a better looking Horde race was a huge factor, because the population skew back then was a problem. They didn’t have the cross-realm technology yet, and many servers were dominated by the Alliance.
Also “You guys”… Which booth are you placing me into now?
They were indeed treated as garbage by some humans.
But there’s a difference there. The ragged remains of the Alliance of Lordaeron under the leadership of Othmar Garithos treated the elves as garbage.
But the Alliance of Lordaeron and the Alliance of Stormwind are two different entities.
And by the way, many of the Humans from the Alliance of Lordaeron are now the Forsaken. Just sayin’.
And how does the actions of Garithos and the Alliance of Lordaeron compare to the attempted genocide by the Orcs that allied with their oldest enemies the Amani? If the elves should hold a grudge towards all Humans for how they were treated, shouldn’t they also hold a grudge towards all Orcs?
Side note, Sylvanas was never a “Blood” Elf… As by the time of her death the Elves of Quel’Thalas were still calling themselves the “High” Elves.
She’s been shown time and time again to think of herself above all.
A sudden altruistic action doesn’t even fit her written persona.
If anything she probably helped Silvermoon join the Horde because she couldn’t afford them remaining neutral or worse, joining the Alliance.
Having a potential enemy to the north as well as already having enemies to her south is not a good strategic position.
I agree that the Void Elves have a lot of missing lore.
Not least of which is how do they make more Void Elves? Void Elves are as mortal as any elf and would need to replenish their numbers.
But if you’re saying that the Void Elves should have joined the Horde instead, I wonder how you think that makes any sense. As they were literally kicked out by Lor’themar.
It was Koreans as WoW launched in China during WoTLK. It’s no secret that blood elves were added to the Horde because of a lack of pretty races. Now in order to fix the Alliance, they need to give them brute, creepy races… but you know, the alliance being the alliance, they’ll just exterminate them for having a different culture. Not a tolerant bunch these Alliance guys.
Varian shouldn’t have threatened Sylvanas, mate. Remember when he told her that the Horde shouldn’t act up, or the Alliance will crush us? Yeah… Varian wasn’t too tolerant. Sylvanas started the war because she knew if we allowed the Alliance to develop azerite weaponry, they would just crush us. So we had to beat them to the punch. And she knew because Varian told her himself.
The Mag’har had a legitimate choice where they wanted to join, and the reason they picked the Horde is because they knew the Alliance will attempt to break them and make them submit to their culture.
Untrue though, that development together with some retconning came since Cataclysm.
Because you’re forgetting or neglecting to mention one very important character part of Sylvanas Windrunner.
She, unlike her sister Alleria, or the waifu insert sister Vereesa, gave her life in defense of Quel’thalas- why she became the tormented Banshee queen, in the first place.
Her being the one to come to Quel’Thalas’ aid and having a heavy hand in the Blood Elves inclusion into the Horde are Very much in character and in line with what happened in WC3.
Varian could have dismantled the Horde… He had a lot of military forces standing inside Orgrimmar.
The Horde had just fought a civil war and would be in no position to resist.
Jaina even urged him to do so.
Yet he didn’t. He might be a bit more tolerant than you’re giving him credit for.
Sylvanas started the war because she needed more souls for the Jailer and the Maw.
Her goal was for the Alliance and the Horde to more or less obliterate each other in order to feed souls to the Jailer.
As for why? Who knows… I guess we’ll see in Shadowlands.
Also, why would the Mag’har join the Alliance?
The Horde helped them from the fanatical Draenei, not the Alliance.
again. you’re repeating the same thing. It wasn’t group A. It was group B.
Doesn’t matter. stormwind never came either. Doesn’t matter if they were dead or didn’t care. Horde however, helped them when they needed it the most.
And once they joined the horde, it wouldn’t have made sense for them to immediately go back to alliance as soon as stormwind gained power again and asked nicely.
And like i said. Varian did try to convince blood elves to come back to alliance. And things were going decent too, because blood elves never really were completely on horde’s side. And garrosh just made it too easy.
But then Jaina purged dalaran. Being a reminder that humans can’t be trusted.
And what did varian do as the answer to Jaina going behind his back and ruining diplomacy? Nothing.
The story is good enough.
You just seem to not like blood elves being added to the horde, so you keep trying to find different excuses to justify everything being about looks and them coming up with stuff out of thin air.
Sylvanas Windrunner died in the defense of Quel’thalas, serving in her role as Ranger-General.
The elves of Quel’Thalas took the name Blood Elves to honor their fallen brothers and sisters. So she died before they changed their name, so she was never a “Blood Elf”. Though the difference between a Blood Elf and a High Elf is only political.
Kael’thas is the one who made the decision to change their name, if I remember correctly.
And you seem to forget that Ranger-General Sylvanas Windrunner is not the same person as the Banshee Queen Sylvanas Windrunner.
Undeath changed her a lot.
She could have returned to aid her people at any time, but she instead decided to unite the now freed Scourge under her command, and directed them at Arthas. If I remember correctly there’s a short story written that confirms her entire raison d’etre being to see Arthas killed. She literally kills herself after he is dead after all.
Getting the Blood Elves into the Horde, strengthened the Horde, which brought her closer to her goal.
I like how you literally address only half of what I wrote.
If you’re not going to answer my questions or points I don’t see any reason to keep this dialogue going.
Because then it’s just me listening to your monologue.
Her goal is most likely to set Azeroth free, but she needs a way of destroying the planet.
The Mag’har say it in their allied quest - they considered joining the Alliance but knew that would mean abandoning Mag’har culture. They only joined the Horde because they knew the Horde is a place where people are allowed to keep their culture, even if it’s incompatible with the Horde’s general values. Look at the undead lmao and compare it to the Alliance. In the Alliance basically only the night elves are kinda different, all other races have the exact same culture and values. And this is the problem of the Alliance. The moment any of their races begins gaining an identity, the Alliance will crush them.
Void elves shouldn’t have existed in the first place.
Joining alliance or horde was both equally stupid. Horde because they were banished. Alliance because the damn king of alliance is a servant of the light and now he suddenly says, yea sure. Let’s bring a few void elves that blood elves deemed too extreme into the arms of the alliance.
Now orc genocide. That apparently didn’t stop horde from helping them in their time of need.
Enemies or not, back then, the elves were in desperate need of help as i stated. And sylvanas acted as a connection between the two to convince blood elves.
Also with your sylvanas was never a blood elf. She’s a part of them. They are her former people. Doesn’t matter if blood elf name change happened before or after her death. It’s like saying the country i live in changed its name, so my sister no longer belongs to my family because she went somewhere else during the name change.
Though her being the “hero” all of a sudden will be a literal retcon of her character.
Really? I’ve done that quest and can’t remember that line.
I know you’re being taught a lot about their culture, their different clans that united to form the Mag’har.
And how the draenei became fanatics that forced people to join their religion.
Can’t remember anyone saying anything about joining the Alliance though.
Who says this?
Not saying you’re lying, I’m just genuinely curious.
Also, I don’t agree that the Alliance forces anyone to adopt their culture.
As you say, the Night Elves are different.
They have more in common with the Tauren than the Humans.
And the Wildhammers and Dark irons (who are officially part of the Alliance) have Shamanistic traditions and values.
The Gnomes are their own thing, and literally have more in-common with the Goblins than anyone else. Even if they have different motivations for making their cultures “technologically focused”.
