Corect but not entierly. After she dies the Valkyrs showed her that if she don’t return Forsaken will perish. They had probe her brain so they showed her something she cares. Her first action after she returned was to go save her pepole.
I see the Alliance is still jealous of the fact that the Horde has high elves… ahem… blood elves!
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Don’t give them any ideas. 
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Someone is posting that on deviantart as we speak I imagine.
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Races in wow is probably dervied by inspiration, i mean we all know trolls are supposed to be jamaicans and the horde in general are supposed to be Terrorists while the alliance are supposed to be United Nations with stormwind being of course United States
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Sure, but where’s the distrust the elves should have shown towards their new allies?
You apparently thought they shouldn’t trust humans at all.
So why should they trust their old enemies?
There’s massive gameplay related reasons as to why a race will never change faction completely.
What would happen to all those who play those races? Would they just be forcibly faction changed?
No, they were never going to join the Alliance after joining the Horde.
What was he supposed to do? Kill her? Make an enemy of Dalaran?
That’s not really surprising coming from someone as obviously biased towards the Horde as you are though.
Shows what you know… I play both the Horde and the Alliance.
But your “YOU ALLIANCE YOU JUST HATE US RAAAAH!” attitude is part of the reason as to why I absolutely hate that we post on the forums as our in-game characters. It poisons every argument anyone makes, based on what color your forum avatar has.
If I had my way, we’d all be posting on faction neutral pandaren.
So I don’t really mind their inclusion in the Horde in and of itself, but I do mind the literal rape of the lore to squeeze them in there.
If they had made Blood Elves the “neutral race” where you could pick side, it would make a little more sense. As there would be those who distrusted the Horde more than the Alliance and vice versa.
But if they wanted to make them an Horde only race, they should have postponed that decision, and written more lore into that decision, to make it seem sensible.
Instead of the Night Elves going bananas for literally no reason, they could have focused more on the connection with Sylvanas.
Or they could have shown Blood Elves being attacked by the Scarlet Crusade, (who are insane) to sow even more distrust towards humans.
Then show Blood Elves contacting Stormwind for aid, with them going “nope, sorry can’t help you now.” and THEN show Sylvanas helping them a lot. Not just beating down a few skeletons together in the Ghostlands. Even if she did it for herself it would seem like a “helping hand”. And focus more on how they feel “out of place” in the Horde. More NPCs going “This feels wrong!” and then gradually show them acclimatizing to the Horde.
This is just off the top my head, a professional writer could string something much better together.
Not just “We love orcs and undead now even though we have been victims of attempted genocide at the hands of both of them before lolkbye”.
I disagree here, the existence of Void Elves are fine.
Their implementation is not really thought through though.
They are few, very few. How do they replenish their numbers?
Their creation was a fluke because of how Nether-Prince Durzaan tried to forcibly change them into beings of the Void.
And we know because of Alleria that any elf that studies the Void doesn’t change their appearance.
As for Anduin accepting them, he’s not a fanatic… He’s shown as being skeptical of them, but he accepts them because Alleria vouches for them and promises to teach them. And his trust in Alleria outweighs his skepticism of the Void Elves.
No, but why aren’t the Blood Elves more skeptical of the Orcs who attempted genocide against them, when you apparently feel like they should HATE humans for what Othmar Garithos did?
True, she’s still an elf from Quel’Thalas.
But moving from a country isn’t the same as being killed and forcibly raised as an undead and then mind controlled to attack the living afterwards.
Point being, Sylvanas is not the same as who she was when she lived.
There are bits of the original Sylvanas remaining, but overall she’s very different.
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Geya’rah talks to the player during the allied questline about the Light and why the Mag’har will always oppose it. She talks how after the Legion was defeated in Draenor, the followers of the Light began to spread their faith. Those who did not converted willingly were forced to. Hellscream fell to the Light, too. This is at least the second time the Light is shown to be kinda fash-y, the first being that time when Xe’ra tries to force herself onto Illidan. I’m pretty sure there was a line where Geya’rah refers to the Alliance specifically, but I couldn’t find it, so it’s possible I am misremembering and that entire part was just about the Light. It is at around 15:38 here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cEaurbg7XtQ&feature=emb_title
In my mind, the Alliance’s connection with the Light is pretty strong. I see it as a representation of Order, and the Light’s goal is to bring order to the darkest parts of the universe (it is again in the Mag’har quest line, it is in the video). The Horde on the flipside is more chaotic, and as such they can’t really have a coherent belief structure, because dogma itself is order. Over the past 20 years we’ve seen the evil sides of chaos being explored, and Sylvanas in many ways acted exactly as an embodiment of chaos would. But the seeds are being sown, we will see the evil sides of order. I wouldn’t be surprised if one of our next big villains is Anduin.
Went through it the other day, and it does not mention the alliance. Might mention AN alliance, but not THE alliance.
This is irrelevant, as already pointed out, a name change doesn’t automaticly mean they’re no longer her people, and to boot, that name change ‘Sin Dorei’ was in her own honor aswell, after all she too fell in the Scourge attack.
Oh I don’t, she changed, for sure. not for the beter either. However when you brought her her sister’s locket, she was clearly affected, even if she pretended not to care.
The same is true about Quel’Thalas, she died in her defense, and she defended her still in death by sending the Forsaken forward to the Ghostlands to help the Sin’Dorei reclaim their home. It’s what made me love her character.
You can disagree with that too, but it all happened, in game.
The turn in her character, quite obviously, if you follow everything through, is that she had Always been in league with this jailor and it was all about killing as many people as possible- It’s a glaring retcon, as parts of her line of thinking were shown in earlier books and in game - and even then we still don’t know what her reasons actually are.
I’m pretty sure the chronicles actually stated that she indeed did send emmisaries to Quel’Thalas, as well as Stormwind, but they were turned away. - There’s a reason She and the others of her contingent called themselves The Forsaken, after all. Because they were hated and shunned by those they loved and cared for once.
The goal you’re writing about, is a retcon that came with BFA, never before has anything even been hinted about any of the stuff or even Shadowlands as it is now.
Sure, I remember that conversation with Geya’rah, but I don’t remember that part about the Alliance.
But yeah, I’m glad the Mag’har didn’t join the Alliance anyway, that would be lore-butchering of the highest magnitude.
Yes, the Light isn’t just “Good”. It can be abused, just as Arcane, Nature, Elemental, Fel and other magic sources can.
While it’s not inherently as “Evil” as Fel magic for example, it’s not “Good” in an of itself.
Even Fel magic can be used for a good purpose. As our player character Warlocks are an example of.
I seriously doubt Anduin will be a villain though, they’ve put too much into developing his character.
If we get an “evil” Alliance character, it would be Tyrande I think.
Ah yes President Prime Minister Donald Trump of the United Kingdom I see now, how intelligent.
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They didn’t trust horde either. They had no choice. Better horde than nothing. I told you this multiple times by now.
the jaina purge was a story later on added to showcase that blood elves were ready to reconsider and they never were completely ok with horde. But like i said. Alliance screwed it up again.
He could have punished her to gain the blood elves trust. banished her for disobeying the king. Or many other things. but nah. Just tell her bad girl and over.
So far, you seem A LOT more biased than me. Everything from beginning to end is all nonsense to you. Alliance screwing blood elves is just an excuse. Jaina did nothing wrong. Everything. You’re a lot more biased dude.
I don’t care about your character. Your obvious bias states how you feel about things. Alliance or horde. The way you talk gives me the understanding that you’re ready to ignore every fact out there and stick to what you believe to be what should have happened.
Finally to conclude this annoying conversation that keeps on going for hours by now…
This game is full of loop holes. From sylvanas going bananas in BFA, to pandarens suddenly choosing factions and becoming blood enemies of their brothers who choose differently.
Being so focused on why elves should not have joined horde even though it is clearly explained in the game lore, fully written and repeated over and over, is what makes me not take you seriously.
I’m not saying you don’t know the lore.
I’m telling you, that when you’re in desperate need of help and your old allies aren’t there for you, when enemy chooses to aid you and a very trustworthy ally is with them, you accept their help. end of story.
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I don’t think a comparison between the Light and something like the fel is accurate. The Light and the Void are in direct opposition, and I think they’re more similar than they seem. Where all the other forces exist to be shaped by different people’s, the light and void command how people act. Maybe not directly, but in instilling a worldview, an ideology in people, that they want to pursue.
Game of Thrones-tier writing is very trendy, though. And I think Anduin is a perfect villain - he is young, naive and idealistic. He can be manipulated and his naivety can be used to drive him down a path of total destruction of those who are different from him.
The Light is definitely going to play an evil part. Anduin as the current most prominent and abusable paladin is a perfect setup for a villain. The Horde got Garrosh - a major expansion villain who was completely built within WoW and did not come from the previous games. I think the Alliance will get that with Anduin.
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Didn’t say it was a big point anyway big guy.
Just pointed out she isn’t a “Blood Elf” and never was.
Hence I wrote this 
Of course there are some bits of her original personality left.
Hence I wrote this
Yes, her character has been retconned. But unfortunately, it’s not we who decide what is canon.
And it’s not the first character that has been retconned to pieces either.
But it is what it is.
She did, I can’t remember if she sent emissaries to Quel’Thalas. But I’m like 90% sure Chronicles states she sent emissaries to Stormwind and Orgrimmar because she knew she and her Forsaken couldn’t survive on their own.
Either they needed help against the Humans who would want to retake Lordaeron or she would need to ally with them to prevent them from trying.
But no, her goal of revenge that I wrote about was not a retcon. That was (almost) her entire character until after Arthas’ death.
There’s even a short story written where she’s shown as thinking of her Forsaken as “arrows in her quiver”. Though that feeling changes a bit over time.
But if you’re referring to her “gather souls” goal, then yes, that’s a retcon. A pretty blatant one as well.
Okay we seem to be on the same page now, aside some small bits.
Just for the record, I never wrote Sylvanas Windrunner was a Blood Elf, I know the story well enough to make the distinction.
I also didn’t mean her revenge on the Lichking being a retcon, I was aiming solely on the ‘mass killing for the anima’ that came with BFA.
But yes, the writing could have been much beter from the start, in allot of cases, but by the ending of The Frozen Throne I felt it was abundantly clear that the Blood Elves were never going to rejoin the Alliance, hadn’t actually thought about them joining the Horde, admittedly, but I’m cool with it.
And, as someone who lived through the Alliance ‘opressions’ in vanilla, I welcome the greater numbers of Horde players too, Blizzard’s decision was a winner.
About retconned character’s, another one that bothered me was/is Alleria Windrunner, not persé that she joined the Alliance, but for starters, her blue eyes make zero sense, since she’s been in proximity to the Legion’s fel magic for a Thousand years, supposedly, and her complete and utter disregard for anything that happened to either her sister Sylvanas or her homeland, are extremely shallow and unbelievable. Same for Turalyon, you’d think that the situation in Lordearon would affect him, no he’s more surprised by ‘Horde Paladins’ ….
I really hope I’m wrong but it looks like this writing team doesn’t know how to write interresting, immersive characters anymore…
Where’s this distrust though? Barely shown in-game.
That’s what I’m talking about. I’d like to see more of this.
Sure, but as I said. I’d like to see more of this earlier on. At least show them having a bit of trouble trusting their allies and fitting in.
A morally sound decision and tactically and politically terrible one.
Varian would have no guarantee that the Blood Elves would come running after what Jaina did, even if he punished her.
And being a powerful mage punishing her would be difficult, especially if Dalaran stood by her side.
He would need to commit serious resources to fighting her.
This is something Garrosh would exploit.
And Varian couldn’t afford to weaken the Alliance against an enemy like Garrosh.
Garrosh didn’t want to just beat the Alliance. Garrosh wanted to eradicate every single Human, Night Elf, Dwarf, Gnome and Draenei off the face of Azeroth.
Right, you becoming offended at me disagreeing with you on whether the inclusion of the Blood Elves in the Horde being “good lore” really screams “unbiased”.
Really? As far as I can see almost everything you’ve presented to me have been opinions and not facts though.
At least we agree on something.
It is indeed full of plotholes… And I dislike each and every one of them. The existence of one plothole, doesn’t make me like another any more.
And to repeat myself yet again I don’t mind the Blood Elves joining the Horde, I mind how they joined the Horde.
In my opinion it was poorly written and made little sense.
There’s a lot of ways they could have improved upon it.
Why debate inferior Elves when you got NIGHT ELVES in the Alliance.
Feral,wild,mesmerizing,tall,fit,handsome,and most importantly the real and original elves. Let the Horde enjoy their derivative skinny addicts !
Alliance bask in the reflection of lunar perfection !
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Zandalari trolls were the original elves.
Change my mind.
You said the word Trolls…how can they be Elves what a blasphemous thing to say, using your way of thinking Humans are vrykul.
The Highborne are/were that, not contemporary Night Elves. What glory is there in bathing in dirt, living among animals and sleeping for half a year?
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