I think the view that the 19 bracket is for new players is subjective, all brackets are competitive and reward character progression, it is understandable imo that players who have put hundreds of hours into their characters do not want to be on the same team as players who have put about 3 into theirs and are all around a waste of space.
This goes for any bracket if you do not enter close to the max or have put no effort into gear, your teammates will not appreciate it.
How is it any different at max level? A green geared shadow priest has like 2,5k hp, I got 5k and I deal WAY more damage than they do too.
Do we need to make lvl60 BG’s ‘balanced’ too so greengears can compete with epics?
No because at that point the progression through gear is the normal way of things. You also once had 2.5k HP and did less damage and the currently green geared shadow priest will probably have 5k HP too in half a year and deal the damage that you deal right now. Or at least have 4k HP and deal similar damage.
Most characters don’t go through a stage at lvl 19 where they have fully blue gear, 2 crusader enchants, the arena master trinket from STV, goggles with +100 HP on them and all that. Most characters don’t have the dps and hp that a lvl 19 twink has at lvl 29 even.
The other thing is that at lvl 60 characters have bigger toolkits and it doesn’t always come down to gear. A lvl 19 twink can fight 1v5 and win, if the other side doesn’t include twinks. Can you win 1v5? Not unless your enemies refuse to use stuns, counterspell, silence or any of that.
As a Shadowpriest in my kinda gear that’s more likely than you’d think honestly.
But sure, if they are good and in good gear, no.
It didn’t. It disappeared with BFA. Legions was also close to kill it.
Ppl who proclaim twinking died with xp in bgs are most likely the very ppl whom took enjoyment in beating lvlers and hence “their” type of twinking may have died, but twinking itself stepped its game up and provided yearly tournaments (bg & arena)
Just the scrubs left.
In that case, what if you could stop getting exp from honorable kills but by disabling that you would only be queued with and against other people that also disabled it? 
lol, what a scrub.
Also I wonder, what has the more detriment effect, a “new” plater joining 19s bg, gets beaten by twinks, or join a 60 bg and continually gets farmed by premades.
I’d like to think that a bracket where a solo quing player can make a difference, by putting in some work on their gear actually holds more of an alure than a bracket in which even if your fully geared, you have limited(close to 0) effect on the outcome when playing solo.
u mean retail?
pvp on retail is ded
I think I made a difference plenty of times in solo queue on lvl 60.
More pwr to u then 
I cba lvling to 60, when my bg fix is adequently attained alrdy at lvl 19.
Not that I would bother lvling to 60 if 19s were not a thing, I’d prob just play ssomething else.
but games @19 usually are like this one; notice horde has 3 “lvlrs” or “low hp toons”, ally has 2.
https://imgur.com/xoxBgvS
Twinks are the majority, and hence it is up to the 5 ppl in the bg to step their game up, its not on the remaining 15 to lower themselves to accommodate 5 ppl who dont even care enough to get decent gear 
But when you /who 15-19 how many of the resulting finds are in a BG? Have you ever wondered why so few go there?
That’s why I would prefer a separation between levelling chars and twinks. You don’t have to worry about these 5 people not stepping up their game, as they wouldn’t be in that BG and all the others could just queue without having to worry to be so far outgeared in there.
when i /who I see min 75% of lvl 19s in bg or in citys quing.
What do you mean “so few go there” ?
We gear 19s to go bg.
What’s your point?
Play retail if you want apartheid.
Also, not every lvler has this “defeatist” attitude, some gets beat by a twink and proceed to roll one to get payback, and hence the bracket flourish.
Cant beat em, join em etc.
It seems to me your advocating for a “safe place” battleground. Battles are not safe, hence you should have your a$$ handed to u if you come in naked.
imgur .com/a/fVhtpZO
Out of 22 people one is in warsong gulch, the majority is in the barrens or wailing caverns.
I’m not the only one who wants to separate levelling chars from twinks, you know? You want that too:
Or what else do you mean with you don’t want to accommodate 5 ppl who didn’t farm the crap out of deadmines to get BiS lvl 19 gear and two crusader enchants?
Sooo… a pic of random ppl in open world is an argument against twinks, how?
I dont want separation caus we need the new blood, that eventually rolls twinks and stop being dead weight.
I meant that in a bracket where the ppl u are talking about makes up ~25% of the players in a bg, no special accommodations should be made nor even considered to pamper whats effectively a minority within a minority
Why even talk about changes you might want? This is classic, there will never be a separate queue. Which is good.
Then ask a few people lvl 15-19 if they are queued for a BG and then ask them why not. If you want more people to play BGs I think a separation would actually help your cause.
I’m not saying I expect these changes to come, I just think most twinks just wanna roflstomp newbies and I think it’s a bit sad that their existence actively discourages levelling characters from queueing up.
Don’t you think it’s just a little silly to “solve problems” in a recreation of a game by adding a new custom game changing feature from the modern version that we want to get away from in the first place?
…How do you come to that conclusion? Separating a queue into two different directions doesn’t mean more people queueing.
Know what the twink separation in retail proved?
That alt levellers wanted to stomp newbies without putting the effort into gearing and enchanting. They wanted to be at the top of the food chain without putting in any effort, and that’s exactly what they got.
Yea, introducing that split after introducing heirlooms is probably pointless.
It also proved that very few of those that used to play twinks continued playing them once they had to chose between playing against ungeared levelling chars for a few games before reaching the next level or full twink groups on both sides.
That’s actually not true. There weren’t enough twinks around to keep battlegrounds alive and active, aspecially since we still had battlegroups at the time.
Every single bracket immediately died apart from the 19 and 29 bracket. And the people that wanted to play those brackets had to move their twinks to battlegroups that had a lot of them, otherwise they’d be in huge queues and would never have enough people.
Would you pay for a character transfer just to play an alt? I wouldn’t.
Well, that’s just not consistent with what the other guy said, that 75% of the players in BGs are twinks. If that’s the case the BGs between twinks would continue to happen. Unless the situation in classic is different in a way that makes it incomparable to WotLK or whenever that change happened.
What do you mean by that? Faction imbalance? That should only happen temporarily, as one side can continue to play with instant queues and the other side would slowly stop playing until a good balance is found.