And that’s why you spend your Sunday evenings on Games Forums doing your best to argue with someone who’s not making any point worth arguing about, and you are not employed by Blizzard helping them to Develop their games.
Sorry, I’m done entertaining you. By the time you read this, your profile has been ignored.
And now the classic attempt at insulting a persons character rather than sticking to points.
I wish you’d grown as a person through our conversation but I sadly believe that’ll never happen.
Hmmm… Well, that’s fine if you’re insulted by that, I’m just pointing out why you’re not on the development team, if you can’t come up with a solution… that’s their job after all.
I’ve grown from out conversations from just ignoring you.
But since you wanted to call me out. I just thought I’d pull out these comments of yours that you directed towards me (I didn’t look at comments you made to other people).
So if you’re wondering why I’m not responding to you and why I’m just flat out ignoring you, might have some idea.
Maybe a little self-reflection and growth yourself, I might be more inclined to respond to your questions.
Here’s the problem, on the WoW forums you won’t get evidence of either because it’d be against the posting rules as ‘naming-shaming’ if you keep the names in… Censored and edited pictures where they could say they’re blue and were being nice when they were not, etc.
There’s no truly verifiable evidence either way you go from our standpoint so it’s more beneficial to give the person the benefit of the doubt here. I know I would. Given I’ve been kicked from both dungeons and BGs just for not going along with someone being very toxic, being a Vulpera or whatever other race I’ve been playing on. Being from Argent Dawn, and simply for explaining dungeon mechanics after a wipe( just explaining what stuff does and giving some suggestions, not calling anyone out or anything of the sort. “Maybe we could try killing the adds before we kill boss.” etc)
For BGs, little known fact. If there’s enough % of the group that reports you afk, it will auto-kick you without an idle debuff instantly. So, in a BG like WSG with a premade people can easily get you gone.
LFD? Don’t wanna skip all the bosses? Kicked. Taking too long picking up quests, or heaven forbid reading them so you’re behind the group? Kicked. Almost always without a response.
I agree, that’s an issue with WoW forums in general. People tend to lie.
My own empirical experience is that there’s very little communication and kicks, outside of the occasional afk / offline kick, at all in LFDs. So going from my point of view, it’d be giving whoever kicked them the benfit of the doubt.
Now, once again I’m not saying either one is the case, because frankly there’s no way for me to ever truly know, unless I’d been a part of any of those kick hungry groups, I’m just taking the point of not making too sudden judgements.
Having a “once in a blue moon” experience as some people have described it surely might happen from time to time, especially with Vulperas being UwUs after all and nobody except for UwUs having a heart for UwUs. being memed about, but it’s the exception, rather than the rule, isn’t it?
Then there’s the part of possible interpretation issues given the text based nature.
“Maybe we could try killing the adds” might’ve come off as condescending, which ticked people off, so they believed you were being toxic, thus the kick would’ve been warranted, from their point of view.
Obviously I’m not defending their actions here, just making the age old point of “every coin has two sides”.
I’ve personally not had any bad experiences in LFD, for quite some time. And I’ve queued LFD with my Vulpera Fire Mage named Vulpix and did the occasional /lick on random players in my group.
Honestly, if you were standing in front of the first boss and were unwilling to continue the run, while the majority wanted to skip as much as possible, that’s a valid reason for getting kicked, imo. Huge “if” in that sentence, obviously.
I’m not saying idiots don’t exist and sometimes people just have the bad luck of running into some of them, but if somebodies majority of LFD experiences, or at least a large part, rather than just a few, end in drama or kicks, then there’s at least a good chance of that somebody having an influence that leads to drama or kicks.
I respect your verbosity but have you nothing better to do than dissect and process every post ! note: Friendly prod (jz don’t misunderstand me (prays)), - we’re not here to argue with each other or nit pick. My original post was / is intended to open a discussion (yes another about kicking) we can all say blizzard takes no notice of these boards but we know that untrue else why would one of my posts be removed.
In my opinion there needs to be an external decision based on collected data and if you press kick you have a limited set of choices as reasons to kick and then the choice is ‘validated’ Easy right. Its democratic because we like politics (shakes head) and its fair in a way that stops reactive ‘yes’ presses and erratic kicks. You understand me?
I was actually gonna post it the other day but given people would jump at me because “uhh theres another post, write it there” even though I didnt know there were others like it. And they would just report me for spam instead 
So I am glad I found this one.
I think that there are probably alot of people who have been on the receiving end of it. And people don’t like to speak up for that very reason.
I mean just look at this thread, I got attacked for simply asking for Blizzes attention. I didn’t even state my opinion on the topic.
Its an unfortunate side effect of the playerbase having little empathy for one another.
All symptoms of an unhealthy game that Devs and those high up need to put love into and give players respect so that players can get the respect back to one another and game.
If devs love the game and give constant signs of their effort into the game and community, players will unconsciously mirror that behaviour.
And EU forums being literally forgotten by Blizzard and all we have is Blues that look after naughty speech, also projects into the players. Which ends with these problems like this post.
I can’t blame the Toxicity of the the playebase 100% on the games developers.
After all anonymity on the internet tends to bring the worst out in people, because they can speak their minds without and repercussions. I mean, just look at the way people speak to each other on Facebook and Twitter on Public posts and news stories to see how horrible people can be towards strangers even when they’re doing it publicly!
That said, Blizzard can certainly do a little more to cultivate it’s player base… but you can never get rid of all the bad eggs.
sadly this is the wow now that activision has built and let little kids play and ruin it it was never like this 10 years back now its mostly trash who play and this is the way of the world atm look for some thing better to play and save yourself a lot of grief
There is no easy solution to this, due to potential of trolls etc.
But I will add, having been in WoW from the beginning, it is a bit saddening to see those groups where genuine newcomers are made to feel unwelcome and a burden, in content they should by all rights be doing. I mean, there’s nothing below LFD in SL for trying the dungeons, where are they meant to go?
I’m not saying it’s every group or most groups, but the fact I see it infrequently is bad enough. We can say “oh it’s just one in 50 groups” go example, but for the newcomer whom happens to be in said group, that’s the one that matters and may well cause them to reassess whether they want to try again.
An MMO is always to some degree dependant on new blood and just having a teeny bit more patience in content designed for beginners would be recommended imo. I think the issue is many players don’t think new people still join WoW, or if they do, they don’t care “it’s not my job, let someone else do it”.
But if everyone takes that view, then nobody gives them a break, which tells you the view isn’t really reasonable to hold as a common one.
Not asking people to endure wipes after wipe, or whatever. But merely reassess whether kicking someone because they don’t know the M+ route in a LFD, or are confused why you’re skipping a boss, or accidentally butpull a group is really a brilliant strategy and a good way to sell the community of this game. To me it isn’t.
Somebody gave me a chance back when I was a newb and it’s a good job they did.
Just saying playing contrarian for every if and or but will just annoy people and leave a thread with a very easy solution of “Yeah Blizzard should be like FF and ban people for abusing VTK” with like 500 replies just for arguing semantics on the ‘could’ or ‘if’ of every motive and for every reason of any kick ever because there will never be any evidence for either side including your own.
Yup, I agree, there’ll never be any evidence, which is why you should take everything with at the very least a grain of salt.
Or to put it into memes: Trust nobody, not even yourself.
That being said, to play contrarian, there’d need to be a popular opinion, wouldn’t there? And as far as I can see, my opinion to “blame the players, not the system” seems to be the popular one.
Also pretty sure abusing votekicking goes against the code of conduct, thus technically is a bannable offense?
I remember being kicked like once. It was a sarcastic comment towards a dumb af premade wasting our time. If you get kicked so often, you might be the problem m8.
Anyway, there are way too many chores in this game. Ppl dont play it for fun anymore. Making one chore shorter is always welcomed. You cant blame ppl. Its Blizzards fault.
" I might be the problem."
Please don’t refer to me as mate and then be patronising. You have eyes but you do not read. You have a brain that you do not engage just a mouth that wails like a banshee when opened.
You never achieved anything in either pve or pvp.
You get kicked from normal low level dungeons.
You trash talk on forums with no real arguments, proofs or sources to support your point.
Yes, you definitely are the problem. Just get better at the game instead of trolling on forums and all your problems will be fixed.
Had entirely another experience in plaguefall, party decided to do all bosses with no arguments, though one dps left after one wipe. And most of lfds I ran were ok. Problems usually started to emerge for me in m+/raids, tryhards can really intoxicate yer game in there.
He pays his sub just like anyone else.
And? He obviously needs to get better at the game instead of blaming everybody else. It has nothing to do with his sub.