LFR Tints EZ unlock if

You’ve already completed Normal or above, or maybe you’ve collected all items of a tier set above.

Getting a normal tier set item, also gives you LFR tint.

Getting a HC item, gives normal and LFR tint.

Getting a myth track items, gives you FLR, normal and HC tint.

I won’t go into LFR and rip loot from those who it might actually be an upgrade. Banking random Veteran pieces only to catalyse them now that I have no further need for upgrades, is an option but feels slow and unnecessary. Also I’d rather spend my resources on catch up gear for alts, not banking items for tmog.

Hoping that at the start of S2, all S1 items will be free of charge to catalyse. Just feels odd to have to wait until then.

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Always was on the idea of unlocking all lesser difficulty variants to the drop you get… LFR is honestly one of the hardest areas to get gear in current content.

Be great if they made TRANSMOG rolls its own independent roll separate from the actual item. As it ys, literally no one uses it instead pressing NEED, to which I’m guilty of, taking loot away from those that actually needs it.

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Yeah there are so many simple solutions to this issue, what you mention could work too. They’d essentially make cosmetic item variants which could also be purchasable with some special token.

Make the cosmetic item available from a vendor, who simply has the condition of you having killed all bosses of that given difficulty or something like that. The currency should be the same between all difficulties, just the higher you go the more of it you get.

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Buy the gear in new Isle go to catalyst and it turns into LFR tint.

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That’s brilliant, sir, my inner OCD collector approves of this idea.

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Mentioned this already on OP.

Sorry little sleepy, to be fair i didnt see the mention of vendor so i just assumed.

Good ideea, i would also like for legacy to come faster on previous expansion, there is no reason to lock it so much, i cant do any Aberrus runs on normal/hc… no1 joins

I joined several runs but it’s just not worth it honestly. With bosses dropping 1-2 items even, the chances of getting something are slim to none.

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imho there should always be cosmetic vendors like those in season 4

Yeah il correct myself, not enough people join to make it worth*

I wouldn´t personally be averse to the idea. But I don’t think it´s a good one.

Because it would also remove most if not all of the reason for any normal or heroic raider to run LFR, which would negatively impact queue times.

And it would make it near impossible for many groups to even kill bosses for the first few weeks, simply because the 5-10 people /run with actual experience killing them that, with all due respect, more often than not hard carry the group in the first weeks would no longer be incentivised to participate in the mode. :wink:

This sword is sharp on both edges :beers:

I understand your point but I completely disagree with it for the following reasons. Mind you I’m using terms like newbies in good faith and not in derogatory manner, nor am I looking down on other players (I guess I’d classify myself as a non competitive mythic raider if that’s a thing).

It’s not our problem. HC and mythic raiders despise LFR, to the point that often find it harder than running a quick normal or HC mode. :man_shrugging:

If the newbies, who LFR is designed for, don’t actually want to read the dungeon journal and communicate with each other, that’s fundamentally their problem. If they expect to be hard carried by experienced players they have an attitude problem and should either change it or simply not engage with this game mode.

TLDR, although you are correct it will genuinely impact queue times because a noticeable chunk of the experienced players will simply not use this game mode anymore, it’s not our problem. We’re not here to boost newbies. Blizzard maintains that everybody should be playing at the most relevant difficulty reflective of their skill.

Now if you want to make a case for LFR being constructed differently, mechanics being universally better designed, then I’m all for that, as that’s a different and more complicated issue. The better the LFR experience, the more likely people are going to give organised raiding a go. Blizzard are always looking to improve raid designs so people find themselves less likely in using WA and addons to automate fights.

hold your horses there please do not blanket claim all HC and M raiders hate LFR that is not true at all.

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Speak for yourself please, “some” of us can still remember when we were not the born WoW professionals others profess to be, and therefore have no problem teaching /mentorind less capable /experienced players as a direct result.

As far as the difficulty goes in what is often referrered to as “nhc with 24 affixes”, usually IME by those toxic elitists that feel themselves above playing with less experienced players, the same sort of players that want to see people get banned as griefers for missing interrupts in M+ while they themselves often times can´t even clear a 10: Nobody is forcing any of us into the mode, and some of us actually welcome the change of pace because it shows how the other side lives, giving us insighty not avaiilable in our Organized group bubbles.

And I feel it is very much “our” problem, because “we” as a whole are WoW players. Just because someone doesn´t raid heroic or mythic or fails a mechanic or 2 in tourist mode doesn´t make tehm less deserving of our support or mean they should be denied the opportunity to learn.

With all due respect, for someone supposedly

you seem to have a peculiarly strong aversion to playing with people you don´t feel stack up to your own arbitrary standards and simply dismissing all players that engage with the mode as substandard and unmotivated players… many people post cataclysm wouldn´t be Heroic or Mythic raiders at all if LFR didn´t exist and better players, especially ones like ourselves closing in on 20 years of expereince, always simply assumed that they only want to troll themselves with intentional underperformance. :beers:

Again, I personally would be fine with it, free mogs are always good… but sacrificing the experience of the majority because the minority thinks themselves above playing with them is IMO not the way to go in any game, online or off.

BTW as far as addons go: this is entirely because everyone is always looking for a silver bullet instead of learning their class and or the fight mechanics, usually due to people not wishing to properly advise them just throw out blanket statements like “copy the BiS list and skill tree from WoWhead” with no further information or help given, because ethat´s already too much effort invested in their mind.

Case in pooint I haven´t even had DBM installed since Shadowlands, and I only use a handful of WAs to track things not easily visible in the default UI, such as time anomaly combustion procs or when scorch execute is available, and that has not in any way hinderered me in achieving both AotC and KSM in every single season as well as killing a few mythic bosses when the Group I played with wished to progress to that level. Almost none of the mechanics of any encounter are new, they´re merely presented differently.

People constantly complain about bosses not telegraphing moves because they don´t want to make the effort of listen to the bosse’s voice lines or watch Mueh’Zala rear back one arm for half an eternity before filling the corresponding half of the room with slop you don’t want to get hit by. And that deveoopment itself is IMO primarily driven by the same elitist gatekeeping that forced them to look for an easy solution to begin with… “Just Download this weakaura pack and GSE,they play the game for your”, and then complaining about their poerformance… instead of simply speaking with them for 30 minutes about a game we supposedly all love, and should therefore at least theoretically enjoy teaching others to play :person_shrugging:

It all feeds back into each other and shapes the overall community in some way, almost none of us or our actions take place in self -contained bubbles with no bearing on teh rest of the community… It can be as simple as not tellling someone to google how to get back to the Siren isle in /2, or as involved as taking a returning or new player under your wing every so often and explaining why class X does Y and not Z in Situation A but not B. :beers:

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Ok understand that how you phrased this:

Is a very different scenario to this:

I’ve got no issue with the former. If I get a random /w about a basic question whilst sitting around forming a group I will always answer it politely, there’s no reason not to. Hell during Legion, we often had cool class based discussions just sitting around order halls, that was cool. The latter one reads to me as “entitled player wants hard work to be done for them”. And I’m against that, always will be.

The beauty about this game is that an impressive amount of differently skilled players and demographics play, and somehow, the game caters for everyone! Not many games can boast that. :exploding_head: The even better thing for me at least, is that many of those demographics don’t actually have to play with each other. I play with my friends at a certain level, and that’s great. I’d rather play a different game all together rather than play wow in a way that I don’t enjoy.

If you enjoy getting into easier content and helping newbies, power to you, there’s a whole mentor system (although I hear it’s very problematic). If you enjoy mentoring people, do it for its intrinsic value, like in real life. If you need to be rewarded for helping somebody then there’s something even more fundamentally wrong with your argument.

You like a change of pace? Have at it, enjoy yourself to the max that’s what games are for. :space_invader:

And to be honest, there’s a simple and elegant solution that solves both my request and your issue:

Tokens and vendors. There’s a guaranteed (or at least high chance of dropping) token dropping from LFR exclusively matched for a vendor that sells the cosmetic item tint of the set. LFR gets more populated, tmog farmers don’t need to steal loot from people who actually need it. Everybody wins.

Will the LFR population wane eventually? Yes but that’s inevitable as people drop of mid to end of season anyhow.

If my messages read a bit abruptly and snobby, they’re not meant to be, I always discuss in good faith, I’m no “elitist”. I did LFR back during WoD. Learned the game, started raiding with a guild, now feel comfortable with Mythic. And I still very clearly remember joining a ZG 20 years ago, not knowing anything and basically dying straight away. Not fun. But we grow and learn. Others have certainly helped me a lot, I don’t think there are “self made men” in this game. :nerd_face:

That’s why there are forums and other resources. You can /w anyone during a chill time in game, I’m happy to talk and help out, go through people’s logs (not that mine are top 100 or anything) and see if I can spot issues. But sometimes you just want to get in and play the game, get the job done in and out.

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Would also reduce the toxic “need for transmog” runs during the whole season.

What I would prefer is to remove the need for catalyst token when you already have a higher tier piece (normal/hero/myth track) for this appearance.

To be honest if LFR had less popularity (which I highly doubt) it wouldn’t be a bad thing. A lot of people don’t like the timegate at the beginning of a season and directly rush to normal, so your point about carry is not so relevant since people should already know what the boss is doing before LFR wing opens (except for the first wing which are every time the easiest boss available).

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That’s actually quite a simple solution too. Didn’t think about it. If they can technically pull this off then why not. That still needs us to collect random items, and sometimes not trading them just to get the tmog though. Unless ofc they come from open world content.

I’d like to essentially completely break the cycle of “sorry keeping this for tmog” just feels bad.

Just because people play LFR does not make them “newbies” and calling them that is pretty childish tbh and you come across as really toxic and assuming a great deal about the general player base.

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Or you can engage with the arguments and not attach emotions to words that weren’t there to begin with.

The term newbie isn’t derogatory. Calling somebody a “S*****d F****ng n00b” on the other hand is. One is a simple quantifiable neutral term, the other is an emotionally loaded insult. If that’s your problem, then replace the term “newbie” with “beginner” or “less experienced” and re-read what was said.

Everybody seems “assume a great deal” about the general player base, clearly including you based on the tone of your last entry. These aren’t arguments, and sure I’d admit me saying that “most hc and mythic raiders don’t enjoy LFR” isn’t a quantifiable parameter. But just like you did right now you’re assuming that you’re part of a larger average and “correct” demographic, based on your words. So always check your words first, and mind your emotional tone and what you project onto others.