I rather play 10 years the same patch on LK than play 1 week on Cata.
Just dont remove Woltk Classic and will be fine.
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I wanted to play through Cataclysm and the prepatch one last time.
And thatâs it. Iâll quit somewhere around patch 4.1, as will everyone, and Cataclysm Classic will die, hopefully heralding a fresh Vanilla-to-WotLK progressive server.
blizzard goes arthas on the wolk servers ⌠this entire servers must be purged! and you guys to enjoy the BEST wow expansion ever made
/s
Literally no one, except all the people that did? Did you really think it wasnât going to happen? And why does it matter to you if it does? Just donât play it.
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Cata was the definitive point that killed WOW, everyone that I knew in game, about 50 people all left, the servers became stale and now we have retail. So wouldnât you think that now in 2023 when you have the benefit of hindsight you would say
âoh wait, lets not do that again, people hated Cataâ
But nope, this is what it looks like when a company does not listen to itâs customers and is just pig headed enough to plough on with itâs own agenda. So what are them free servers called again? I will play TBC one way or another, wanted it through classic but thats not happening now.
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Cataclysm is such a huge, huge change that I believe Wrath should stay as an option. Can sort of understand why TBC wasnât âkeptâ as for most part the world didnât change much, just extra content.
For me two things mostly killed my interest in WoW - the first was Cataclysm which rendered my mental map of the world almost totally useless. The second was Pandaria and STUPID intro quests which brought an element of 8-bit pixel perfect jumping. I couldnât get past that and I lost interest and never âboughtâ another expansion.
I am not interested in Classic turning into âdelayed retailâ. That is NOT what Classic is about. It is about playing the game at it was and IMHO Cataclysm changes too much.
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i asked for cata classic.
p1 and p2 cata was VERY good content, hard for the time so many quit, but i think today its easy enough.
hopefully they dont add lfr thoâŚ
no change so of course that means lfr 
well, they said they would listen to feedback⌠hopefully they didnt lie once more.
heck who knows maybe theyâll go beyond and give lfr for firelands too
WoTLK is the height of WoW and deserves dedicated servers alongside Classic. Sub numbers were the highest during WoTLK for a reason. There is no way a majority of players would rather transition WoTLK into Cata than keep WoTLK - Cata barely features among a list of favourite expansions for most of the playerbase.
Please keep dedicated WoTLK servers if you must insist in rolling out Mehtaclysm.
wotlk is idd VERY nice, been playing it almost every day since release, but i dont wanna play it forever
doing the same raid 50-100 times over is enough for me.
they should add wotlk era realms tho if i ever wanna do it again
The same could be said for Classic, though: my point being that I donât think there is much nostalgia for Cata. I could be wrong, but Iâve seen a lot of âfavourite expansionâ polls over the years, and donât remember Cata featuring in any of them. Iâve seen some desire for MoP over the years, which I donât share personally, but the number of people clamouring for Cata Classic would probably fit in a broom cupboard lol.
No itâs not.
Sub numbers were highest because the game was still gaining traction. In marketing stagnation is a bad thing because what follows stagnation? Decline. WLK was the stagnation of the game. This meant that while people were coming in people were leaving in equal amounts. In vanilla and TBC this number rose consistently which insinuates people were coming in and were being retained. Weâve seen this play out in Classic v TBC v WLK. WLK is in a poor state as is, low raiding numbers compared to classic and TBC and people only raid log with nothing else.
The numbers donât lie. Check WarCraft Logs(Click Classic â Raids â Collapse from âWLKâ and open TBC and/or Classic. âVanillaâ tick box is for Classic Era which is current parse population for the last two weeks, not itâs height) and point out where WLK has more parsers than TBC or Classic at itâs height.
If you look at any significant raid from the phase it launched in across all three versions you can see WLK is by far the least popular outside of Naxxaramas(Keeping in mind you could pug Naxx 10 and 25man as soon as you reached level cap and had quest blues which is likely why it is so heavily bloated especially compared to future WLK raid releases). Go ahead and check the first boss in the release phase of any equivalent raid and see the numbers:
- Classic - BWL - Razorgore the Untamed - Phase 3 & 4, last two weeks recorded - 1,165,343 parses
- TBC - SSC / TK - Hydross the Unstoppable - Phase 2.5, last two weeks recorded - 399,767 parses
- WLK - Ulduar - Ignis the Furance Master - Phase 2, last two weeks recorded - 353,012 (Edited as Flame Leviathan was bugged on WarCraft Logs)
Even SSC & TK combined they have less potential for parses as there are only 10 bosses combined compared to Ulduarâs 14. If you include parses from 10man Ulduar still youâll see that itâs still far lower than SSC & TK combined.
Clearly WLK is not the height of WoW. It was the start of the low point for WoW. If anything they should justify TBC servers being permanent - which they wonât because it ran itâs course as WLK will.
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nice try, but no
FL has always been bugged out with logs
use kologarn or something instead, 308,800 parses last 2 week in p2.
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I wasnât aware of that.
Lets go with Ignis the Furnace Master on P2 then: 353,012 parses.
Also, for funsies, by Phase 3 the same boss fight had⌠2,981 parses. Conversely Hydross the Unstoppable by Phase 3 had 106,084 parses. The amount of time between Phase 2 and Phase 3 in WLK was actually less than Phase 2.5 and Phase 3 in TBC. Interesting.
Keeping in mind, Ulduar was touted as the âbest raid in WoWâ by many narrators. Clearly, that wasnât the case.
ignis is a boss that was skipped 75% of the time (or more?)
specially in p3 when u had the TP
Doesnât seem to be too different from the numbers for XT or Kologarn.
yea, numbers seams low in p3, but the only reason to go there was for flare or comets trail.
the alpha/beta dunegon spam and then into totgc was the way to gear up in p3.
tbc was different
also last 2 weeks every pug that did ulduar had like 20sr on flare and 5 on comet, so peoples gave up 
(AND knew both would be avalible from vendor when p4 came)
I donât follow your logic - sub numbers afaik started tailing off after Cata launched because it was the worst expac to date. That this occurred doesnât mean the previous expac with the highest population the game ever had was the cause of this. I think thatâs called post hoc, ergo propter hocâŚ
Anyway, could be Iâm just not good at reading the logs site. ironforge.pro clearly shows a much bigger server population for Wrath than Classic. Classic felt pretty empty last time I played, but I would assume Hardcore poached a lot of players.