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Totally agree.
If OP enjoys the jumping games but needs flying to be removed in order to be able to see them or enjoy them… ?? I don’t know what to think. Should Blizzard grant you your wish, the game will be broken for many.

I for one don’t like those games. If it’s possible to avoid, I’ll do my best to do just that. Avoid those things. But f.ex I want my Baa’l pet. For now I’m stuck on the jumping in MacAree. I tried, and failed. And will spend a few days more to gather the want to try again. It’s not fun!

One can always choose to use only ground mounts. Choose not to take the easy way out, but find your way on ground or by climbing things.

For those of us who for various reason hate the no-flying version of the game, there’s no other choice than to quit it all together if flying is removed. For me the relief I feel when I can finally fly again when hitting that Pathfinder II achie… it’s immense! The best day of the expansion!

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Exactly! I’m against flying personally, but I understand why people want it, too, and I do use flying when I’ve unlocked it. I think pathfinder goes a good way to meeting both ends.

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You’ve probably not encountered many annoying Nelf Druids that instantly fly away due to Meld+Flight Form… :stuck_out_tongue:

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As a Ret Paladin, retreating players comfortably outpacing me is so common that they’re all just a blur of rear ends to me now.

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You have your non flying shards. It is called classic. Now go and have fun.

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The OP understands more about human nature, and consequently game design, than anyone else in this entire thread - and all he did was understanding how or why he felt accomplishment.

I cannot understand how so many of you felt more accomplished at repeating the same boring, timegated reputation quests a couple dozen times than you did actually conquering a movement puzzle.

Sometimes I really think it’s true when Blizzard comes out and says: Don’t listen to players’ demands - listen to their experiences.

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This could be solved if Blizzard allowed us to toggle a no-flying shard, both sides happy.

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She.

yes I think it’s a problem when game designers try to please everyone.
I wonder if blizz had not restored flying in WoD, would those unsubscribed players have stayed unsubscribed? I think most of them would have resubbed after a short period of time.

I think Blizz set a dangerous precedent and now players have more power over them than they would have.

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Depends why they’re playing the game. If it’s because it’s Warcraft, then there’s no competition, so they might. If it’s because it’s a (fantasy) MMORPG then the market is saturated with alternatives. Most of which won’t take away flying after granting it.

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Well, hello then Mrs. Ms. ? I had no idea.
¯\_(ツ)_/¯

You never really know if it’s a girl or a G.I.R.L. (Guy in real life) online. I sometimes use he and sometimes she because I just don’t know.

Would you call me a he or a she knowing what you know about me right now? :stuck_out_tongue:

Anyway, I entirely agree that WoD failed the no-flying crowd, because it managed to conflate no flying with no content, because Blizzard just cut all the content out.

It’s going to be interesting to see how this all pans out in Shadowlands. I somehow have a feeling that flying is going to be a pile of garbage given the fact that we can’t fly between the zones anyway, and flying will completely destroy the vibe of several zones. This whole Transylvanian Dracula castle towering in the mountains vibe really doesn’t work very well if you can fly. The villains (i.e. the vampires) can fly - that’s why they’re so scary, and that’s why the place is scary. If the hero can fly over the castle and into and out of the courtyard with impunity, then the whole thing is ruined.

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I would say ‘they’ just to be safe :slight_smile:

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There are plenty of experienced (and inexperienced) players who see no value in jumping on top of a building for no reason. There are also plenty of experienced (and inexperienced) players who will spend their time trying to get places they shouldn’t or as high as they can without flying.

I cannot understand how people like you can’t understand that people like different things and feel accomplishment from doing different things in the game.

We spend periods of time grounded (either due to level or pathfinding), not to mention it is perfectly possible to do all that even when flying is enabled.

Human nature is that those who like this kind of thing WILL do this kind of thing.

The player base has not, nor will it ever speak with one voice. You only have to look anywhere that discussions about the game take place, that everyone wants different things. Including those with vast experience of the game.

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At the start flying isn’t needed but when you get further into content and start doing the same thing over and over again you need that flying to get the stuff done quicker. Also “welsh boy” here. :face_with_hand_over_mouth::

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If by ‘grinding’ you mean…

Doing the expansion campaign.

Doing all the side quests.

Getting the exploration/loremaster/dungeon achievements.

Doing a few daiies/WQ’s to advance your gear/get some resources/get some gold.

…then yes, I suppose it’s a grind of sorts (a relatively mild one)

Takes about 2 weeks to get the rep and achievements required.

If that ‘burns you out’ then why are you playing a game that has several long term goals ?

I suppose if you suffer from AD/HD or are one of those people that think they’re entitled to get all the best stuff just by logging in then spending more than a few hours to achieve anything is to seen as a long and boring grind.

All I can say from experience of talking to other players on several servers and reading many responses here is that your sort aren’t particularly welcome in a game like WoW, or any other MMO for that matter.

Please don’t tell me that WQ rewards are useless, by the time I got to the point where WQ rewards where either trivial or useless I had already unlocked flying.

WQ’s are boring ? you do know that there are quiet a few different types of WQ’s, if you find doing several different types of things boring I again question whether you really should be playing an MMO.

Uhh but I just want to PvP/Do instances/pet battles or whatever. That’s fine but WoW isn’t a collection of isolated little games, it’s a complete and fairly integrated package and if you want to cherry pick parts to do in isolation then there’s a price to pay in that you’ll miss out on the rewards offered in the other parts.

WoW, like many MMO’s relies on metaphorical carrots (like flying) to keep us engaged and occupied. If everything could be achieved in a couple of days then what would be the reason to log in and play ?

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You clearly do not understand human nature when you can write something like this.

Understanding the power of uncertainty and compulsion is absolutely necessary if you want to understand video game design.

Understanding the pillars of MMO design: That is fun gameplay, social interaction, and sense of world is critical if you want to understand the no-flying argument.

But you do not understand them, and I know that there is no way to make you understand. I’ve been down that road several times, but you always think that “different people like different things” is somehow a useful argument when trying to design a specific game in a specific subgenre of a genre.

WoW cannot and should not attempt to cater to everyone. It can’t. WoW needs to know what WoW is - and looking at Shadowlands, repeatedly I get the sense that someone at Blizzard HQ finally woke up to this. I know they know, and with that I’m satisfied, and that also means I can take these threads a lot more for granted than I have in the past.

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You realize that people without pathfinder in warmode are easy prey for gankers in the sky, right? Btw 8.3 showed us zone content designed around flying and it’s terrible.

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you forgot to mention ‘do tortollan rep grind’ and ‘do mechagon dailies over and over’

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Why have you made the exact same post in US forums?

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because I wanted to. you have a problem with me speaking to other people?

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Simple question - I have no problem; I was just curious.

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