No person who ever finished an OP saying “change my mind” ended up changing their mind as a result thereof
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I’ve had good experiences with loot council through out Vanilla and TBC Classic. We worked on the idea of marking our interest then the officers made the choice.
It did mean I would sometimes not get loot that I really needed, but it was because the overall gains of giving it to someone else was better for the group as a whole.
If you have a good group of people it is the best way to make sure the whole raid team is progressing in the best way. Otherwise just have do controlled rolls. Just make sure the people rolling are the best suited to the item.
All my experiences with LC are bad. Although it is no different with the DKP and EPGP because most of the times catching up is not going to happen and all the time invested ends up being for nothing. In addition, as it has been previously mentioned above, the best way to ensure a fair LC for yourself is to become friends one way or another with members of the guild that have influence in the LC. Without that, unless it is a transparent LC, you will remain bottom tier and be given all kinds of explanations as to why you did not get it over someone else.
With EPGP and DKP even though the data decides your priority it is also far from perfect. After the trial period of 2-3 weeks that most guilds dictate some form of compensation is only natural to be expected which is why most people abandon a newly joined guild; they cannot catch up and end up frustrated.
It is a pity because most other aspects of being in a guild are positive. It is amazing though how members can suddenly create drama out of the blue from the item drops.
Both systems have their flaws. I am currently not in a guild so my preference goes to SR MS>OS.
Loot council… It looks good on paper. But in reality, the mage on loot council is biased towards mages. The irl friend on loot council, give his friend loot over a dude he never met. The greedy priest on loot council, funnels himself more gear “because he is worth it”. It creates drama and feuds. And is overall toxic.
Got like half p1 bis in two weeks because I had enough of LC scam in tbc and started to avoid it at all cost
Just remember you always will be scammed in LC guild if you aren’t its member since classic
and you don’t need a guild to raid t7 content, ulduar hardmodes? maybe. Even so most of pugs will do more hardmordes than average loot council scam guild
Guilds in classic are absolutely different than it was on back on retail and basically just a legal way of massive scamming
AVOID ANY GUILDS
Guilds are not a scam, LC guilds are not a scam allthough they can be corrupt, there are other ways to do loot than LC in guilds.
Anyone who actually tells you that guilds are a scam are also the once that will turn around and tell you that GDKPs are amazing, no one should listen to those people seeing as GDKPs are just ran by gold sellers (if not directly by proxy) to make sure that people buy more and more gold.
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Loot councils can work, depending on how you do loot prio etc.
All our members in our guild has got at least 3-4 BIS items from Naxx so far.
Some has got more, due to the armor type etc.
As long as you perform / actually enchant your gear(Why would we give you more gear, if you not enchanting your current gear?), you’ll always be considered part of the loot table.
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As an officer of a guild who wants to maintain a guild community and make gaming friends, the loot council is the only reasonable choice.
It is dramaticly hard to sustain more than few months with other options. We have 260 people in a guild and 2 fixed raids groups from these people.
Many people who join they don’t want to be a part of a guild. They don’t want to contribute to it. All they want is to use it for own profits.
When you roll or use any DKP you leave a breach that some portion of loot goes to people like that. And then after they satisfied or unstasfied, they leave and bring it to another guild.
For us, raids and guild is not a Work, and loot not a reward for contribution. Loot is a tool which we need to maintain a guild and open more capabilities to interact with more complex content and achievements.
And we want to keep these “tools” in a guild.
So, a council is an only working option which leaves a minimum risk to fail compared to other options.
From my experience, many semi-hardcore+ guilds does a same or will do after they become more mature and gain some organizational experience.
Ofc, this works only when goals are same as I explained and when you need these tools. There are many cases when you have enough so you can roll or throw away without care but at the beginning of content progression this is a must.
I understand how it looks for casuals who want to exchange time to reward (loot), so I can not justify consul as meta approach. Its defenitelly an approach for certain cases.
And blizzard made a good job with personal loot on Retail to make casuals happy.
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OP, look at this.
Loot council is the Friends system, everyone else can go take a running jump.
Doubt, if you think so, maybe you were underperforming and being the last prio?
DKP is the most scuffed loot system in existence. Getting sht sent for DE when its an upgrade cause everyone is hoarding DKP for their bis trinket/weapon is so counterproductive. Loot council is by far the most superior option if your guild actually cares about progress. People get items based on performance, previous items theyve gotten and what kind of upgrade it is.
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I like SR (SR for MS exclusively ofc) way more than either LC or DKP when it comes to guild loot. Loot drammas are practically non-existent and unlike in LC or Silent DKP, there is no room for corruption. Also, it’s very easy to fill in PuGs in case of emergency, which is hard in LC and almost impossible in DKP. Overall guild progress might be slower than LC due to member-controlled loot distribution via SRs, but if you are not speedrunner guild that aims to get to top 10 on WClogs, there is no need to hurry.
Silent DKP i’ve never understood. DKP bid can take time for people who aren’t used to it, but it’s the most transparent system i’ve found so far.
Trials dont have prio on gear in any guild. Not even yours.
Everyone says that but it doesn’t happen. If you look at the DPS increase of any slot, 1 single slot is almost never better than 2 other slots. Melee weapons are about the closest you get.
If you want to raid in full blues to win turning tide, go for it. But the guy with life and death and 4-set will crush you on DPS… and he’ll get Turning tide next time it drops anyway, while also being weeks ahead of you in every other slot.
Ive been in the same guild since Molten Core. LC based on bislists combined with attendance and performance have worked for us. Rarely any complaints.
The problem with standard open bid DKP system is that it gives room for forced DKP wastes. Purposely bidding and raising the bid on an item with no intent to actually get it, just abusing the fact that you know that your competitor needs it very much, is way too common. It’s 100% legit bidding strategy but it slows down overall progress and can (and often will) cause the feeling of being griefed.
This is where Silent DKP takes place. It eliminates purposeful DKP wastes but it gives room for corruption.
No DKP system so far was able to eliminate both problems. That’s why I like SR, Open bid DKP gives room for speculations, Silent bid DKP and LC give room for corruption. SR has neither of those.
I havn’t raided with dkp/epgp since actual vanilla.
Imagine not taking upgrades cause they aint bis, even really minor ones. Anyone playing like that is a total clown.
All this talk about LC being bad, like, how about you enjoy your raid and use your ability to work out if the raid leaders are competent or not and if they aint move on?
Is that really too much to ask?
Only 2 people tried that in 3 years for us. it stopped when someone called their bluff and the bid was declared final.
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