So you would rather have the game on easy mode with the “low” players you currently have than to get better? or find people of your skill level to play with? Sorry but I don’t condone this mentality or behaviour, i’d rather have the same content which I’m more than qualified to clear than have easier content because people are too lazy to get better or to focus, because it’s not that people cannot do the stuff right, they can, but they choose not to, be it by not focusing or not listening to advice. It shouldn’t be the game’s fault that you have a group which cannot clear it or is ignorant to the point it impedes clearing the game. You’re relying on the game and company to make changes rather than make them yourself. More than sure if your performance was good you’d get a spot in the hc roster or you’d have been scouted by different guilds already.
I am by no measure a hc player or even a fake attempt at one, but I do want to play to the best of my abilities for those 3h that I am doing it and don’t want someone that doesn’t care at all or at least try to improve next to me. I wouldn’t want 20 people to try and 5 people holding back those 5 people, it’s rude and a bad attitude towards everyone else’s time. I don’t care if you don’t give a damn about your own time but don’t treat other people’s time the same as yours.
A roster is like a sports team, some can have a bad day, but at the end of the day everyone plays the best they can and have the same goal of “winning” in mind. This my opinion. And if you see 10 people running on the field and 1 just walking and not caring, you replace that guy.
Remember a saying: “Show me your friends and I tell you who you are. Friends are amongst the things we can actually CHOOSE for ourselves in life”. - By friends I mean guild / raiding group.
That’s 3 hours per raid. In TK about 45 min per boss + adds and in SSC about 30 min per boss + adds. How is that not plenty time even if the whole guild is RPing between packs …
Your “looties” won’t help you anyway if people are making those misstakes on mechanics. In fact, you have probably been looting 8/10 bosses for 4 months and still claim you missed some bosses each reset - lack of loot can’t be a reason, right?
If there’s no challenge or if there’s too much room for misstakes (so nothing is punishing), and some do it just to “kill” a boss once - no matter the difficulty - I wonder why they dont just hop on Retail with their guilds, clear the whole TBC expansion, and call it a night.
It’s like being an adult getting a participation diploma for children for failing at work, but unlike a child have full insight in what it means (or doesn’t mean) - after everybody else got theirs for actual accomplishments. Then still cheer and be happy that you got it becuase now you can wait for the next one …
I never once asked for a nerf. But since the nerfs are coming, I ain’t gonna hide the fact that I welcome them. I killed it pre-nerf, I now only raidlog for gear and to keep my spot for BT. And I’m pretty sure I could join hc team if I wanted to, but like I said in another thread, I don’t feel like training in PTR and popping pots on trash and raiding every evening on progression untill all is cleared.
I’ve had 3 guilds fall apart around me this phase. I have no trouble performing, you can look me up on WCL. It’s the Roster Boss that has been my bane since week 1 of TBC. I just want to kill the bosses I missed in high school and uni, but people keep giving up and leaving in droves. I’m still mostly in P1 bis despite not missing a single raid day since september. TBC is pain. This whole damn game is just pain and frustration. But I will see KJ dead in this life or the next.
I don’t doubt you as a player at all, and the later part of my post wasn’t directed to you but some people on these forums in general. They have to recongnize, just like you have, that “the Roster Boss” isn’t a direct result of 2 “hard” bosses but mutiple factors which many players and guilds are in controll of themselfs along with other things that simply drained TBC of specific players (done by Blizzard). The drop-off was big from MC > BWL aswell (and continued for every Phase of Classic).
If people think it will be solved, stopped or reversed by nerfing the current content (before even new content is released) and later by moving on to P3 and 7 months of BT/MH they are wrong. Judging by the videos of todays raids post nerf, the nerfs weren’t small but made many encounters and trash packs irrelevant. Watch how many simply stop playing after they have killed Vashj 1-2 times and now “wait for BT”. If Blizzard play their cards wrong and wait with P3, it will cause more trouble than any “hard” boss could - since current content became irrelevant apart from items from 2 bosses for some.
We don’t need your permission to do so. Neither you nor anyone else gets to dictate others just how good they (or, to be more precise, their guilds) are supposed to be. If person A feels that content is too easy and person B feels that content is too hard, that doesn’t mean person A is right by default. What should happen is that person A, person B and everyone else give their feedbacks (through forums or in other forms [forums aren’t necessarily representative of the playerbase as a whole, 99% of players don’t even post here to begin with]), and then Blizzard decides. That you condone or don’t condone a damn thing is absolutely irrelevant.
People can have all sorts of reasons for why they choose one guild rather than another. For example, I can’t raid before 8:30 PM server time. 90% of guilds on my server and faction start raiding at 8 PM. That alone limits my choice to about a couple guilds on the entire server, of which one (the one I left) is very hardcore and all the others are fairly casual. And no, server transferring is not what I’d consider to be an option (putting aside the fact Mirage Raceway already has the largest Horde PvE pop in EU, so there’s not rly anywhere else to go for me).
Because as another person said elsewhere
The main appeal for playing TBC for me is not the high difficulty or w/e, but the actual gameplay.
Given the level of competition existing in 10/10 guilds, I’m pretty positive most of them won’t stop at all - partly because the raiders don’t wanna lose their spot, and partly because people may still be missing items.
What does gameplay matter when performed on a Target Dummy?
Gameplay is the least of these people’s interest… They acually got that during 4 months but weren’t happy about it (or for whatever reason couldn’t handle the basics of it)- now they want, and got, less of it each week and call it a “win”.
Dont try to pull that “gameplay” card.
That was when 10/10 ment something. Watch old guilds try again and new guilds form as we speak. Aint nobody sitting on the bench for 30 min/ week of free epics.
Don’t tell me what I can or cannot try. I gave you my reason for why I like TBC, whether you like it or not. Heck, I did try BFA and I found the class gameplay so abhorrent that I couldn’t even level my paladin beyond lvl 82 and my shaman beyond lvl 30 or so.
So yes I will continue to play TBC and I will continue to enjoy it because I like the gameplay. If you don’t like me saying it, go get stuffed or something.
Ah yes I’m sure all the highly competitive guilds are gonna break up because their members would rather join a casual guild instead because of these nerfs. Definitely going to happen.
Oh sorry, will it make you want to nerf me aswell so you dont have to try so hard?
And “no”, you don’t like the gameplay becuase if you did you wouldnt want to change it like this. What you like is the feeling of being “relevant” while preserving your ego, pointing fingers and making excuses for everything that might take that illusion away.
The highly competative guilds werent the ones losing members , m8. Start thinking and put a Shaman in your Warriors group when he Tanks Vashj - perhaps Blizzard will have to nerf things less for your sake then.
Just to clarify - I never said the current level of nerfs is the ideal level of difficulty for me. But realistically we can’t have one version of T5 for every guild (let alone every player). And, if I were given the choice between the T5 we had until now and the current version, after 3 months of the former, I’d very much choose the latter even if it’s not my best option overall.
Well I don’t see a problem then. I think those people can all suffer a bit of boredom. Maybe it will encourage them to spend their Xmas holidays doing something else.
Not sure why you feel you prove anything by spewing out such hyperboles. Is this what you call a coherent argument?
First of all, football is a PvP game, much like arena in WoW, where players ARE the challenge for other players. PvE games are another matter, since the difficulty there is fixed by the developer, not the players, so the example doesn’t make much sense to begin with.
Second, the nerfs we’re getting are the same nerfs that TK/SSC got between 2.1 and 2.4.3. It’s nothing that didn’t exist in the game back then. You can complain about the timeline of said nerfs, but that these nerfs would happen at some point is just being faithful to the game as it was. If anything, it’s you “non losers” who want to change the rules by demanding that these nerfs never happen.
Have you even checked Mirage Raceway discord? Only a minority of guilds raid at 8:30 PM or later, most of them are casual, and even pugs mostly start at 8 PM. Educate yourself before posting.
More hyperbole, much?
Nobody is asking you to get “anywhere near me” either. I for one wouldn’t want a player as rude and stupid as yourself in my group, no matter how good your parses are. And no, you don’t need to have an attitude as poor as yourself to have good parses. I’ve seen plenty of players with good parses, such as in the previous guild I was in - and even among those who had a more or less low opinion of casuals, many of them still had the kind of baseline argumentative logic and politeness that you’re sorely lacking.
Posting on a forum is not getting anywhere near anyone - thankfully for me. It’s about simply expressing our respective feedbacks. And if you don’t like my feedback, too bad. We’re still paying the same sub, kid.
Either way, don’t expect another reply to this. If all you can do is overexaggerate things and belittling ppl disagreeing with you as if they’re mentally challenged Neanderthals, then you’re not worth discussing anything with. Get stuffed.
