Lore Tidbits Thread

You can look at the recruitment of additional races for the horde (beyond the original Orcs, Tauren and Trolls) as a means of plugging gaps in the Orcish system of warfare.

The original Orcs of Draenor (MU, appears lesser for AU) were afraid of open seas. A combination of auspicious beliefs about the ocean spirits and the fact that the ogres came from across the seas meant orcs never had any interest in sailing historically.

This is fine. Until you find yourself embroiled in a war with a faction that boasts seafaring capacity, enabling them to transport hundreds of troops and equipment of weight, far more reliably and efficiently than a zeppelin can at least. At this point the fact the Orcs lacked proper designs for their own ships and relied overwhelmingly on Ogre shipbuilding, which was no longer a feature of the horde since the ogres left.

When you look at it this way, introducing the Forsaken and Blood Elves, whom both have some naval resources and knowledge seems sensible. More so for Goblins, whom are renowned for piracy and seafaring. The Zandalari are the cherry on the cake.

The Mag’har bring their Dreadnoughts. These still in a distant manner come from non-orcish sources when you consider the imposition of the Iron Star in the AU. Additionally the Dreadnought design appears heavily influenced by Ogre juggernauts.

So really, even now, MU Orcs still don’t build ships. It’s the one part of warfare the Orcs seem to leave to their allies. You’ll have Orcish captains and crews (though examples are not massively numerous, and often shown to be somewhat amateurish and more akjn to pirates a la Silverpine).

So essentially this tidbit is, MU orcs probably still have a bit of a wierd relationship with the sea. Older orcs who saw Draenors sundering will probably still be quite wary of the sea itself. Up until this point in the MU it’s reported that the Orcs stayed away from the sea, unlike their AU counterparts.

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And was it because they were in their forms, or because they turned feral?
Worgen of Gilneas also didn´t talk, until their sanity was returned to them, when suddenly everyone was able to speak.

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Alpha Prime was a feral, wasn’t he? And he was quite verbose.

Pack form is not Worgen form. There’s a massive difference, and I think you’re confusing the two.

I can imagine forming coherent words is quite difficult when your mind has turned bestial.

I believe it was mentioned that his ability to control himself was unique among the rest of his band. He managed to mentally still be more elf than worgen, unlike his peers.

What about these orcish destroyers, then?

https ://wow.gamepedia.com/Destroyer

I think a comic or a book had a feral worgen talk, its not that they can’t, but rather they don’t like to talk to their food.
this were duskwood worgen btw (if I recal)

Nggh. Yes. It’s probably just that.

True. I had forgotten there are explicitly “orcish destroyers” now.

Still, when you consider how recent an innovation they are for orcs, it still shows how dated their naval approach is. We dontcsee orcish boats built by orcs until a good few expos in. Other races have been building boats for much longer, not to mention they build different types of ship.

These may be younger orcs who grew up in thrall horde perhaps? I don’t know. I kind of like the orcs having this quirk about them so I’d like to think it’s not entirely ironed out in some parts. It’s kinda funny to have this race which is so suited for warfare but they’re a, bit funny about it if sailing is involved because of old wive tales and lack of experience.

We dontcsee orcish boats built by orcs until a good few expos in.

Orcs were building navies in the Second War. I’m a little confused.

And the Warsong clan and other scattered survivors of the Old Horde that joined the New Horde where quite capable of sailing their way from EK to Kalimdor. :frowning:

The Prince of Mechagon is the leader of the resistance you do quests for on the island

So, apparently the son of Mechagon will lead the resistance against his father?

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Some 50 years ago is when goblins started doing trade so much, before that, their Kaja’mite supply was still high, and they had no need for trade, as their engineering didn’t backfire as much as now.

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Tell me, where is Telaryn? For I much desire to speak with him.

Thanks in advance to Elenthas for recommending me “The Last Guardian” awhile ago, it has been a great read.

The very first page (and a few chapters after it) talk about how a demons taint lingers magically even long after the demon is gone causing magic to become volatile and feel heavier and harder to cast compared to the often described fluidity and grace of casting.

“There was a Sluggishness to the magic in this room. It was a thick feeling. . .Khadgar tried to pull the energies together, but they seemed to resist, to follow his desires only with the greatest reluctance.”

Khadgar tries to cast a simple spell in a room made for it but because of the taint this happens;

“Suddenly, the young mage was swamped with the thick, fetid feel of the magic. It fell upon him in a thick blanket, crushing the spell and driving him physically to his knees, despite himself, he cried out.”

Medivh explains to him why his magic backfired and why he was driven to his knees;

“The two dead mages here were summoning demons. It’s that taint you feel. A demon was here.”

Some neat Gilnean/Worgen lore that I think is pretty huge that I see no one talk about in “Curse of the Worgen”

The Gilneans had a ‘criminal’ (a Worgen) on the loose that they called the “Starlight Slasher” who went around murdering people in Gilneas City and went scot-free.

Gilneas has a wolf-cult as well that followed Alpha Prime (both Worgen and Human Gilneans) who went around killing or infecting people.

“I’ve considered for some time now that the Cult was involved in the Starlight Slasher murders.”

Greymane even after doing the Ceremony is struck with violent fits of anger that cause him to almost shift to a worgen, Priestess Belysra calls upon Elune to calm him and let him regain his control.

“May Elunes Light calm you, your majesty, for a time at least.”

Gilneans were aware of what they were doing even as Feral Worgen but they had no control as Ramsey describes what it was like to become a Worgen and the Benefits it brought him.

“My blood sang. Never had I known such strength. Such speed. Such vigor. Such a…keenness. Not of intellect–but of the senses. . .every odor unique. Immediately perceptible and identifiable.”

“Raw emotion and desire warred within. . .A need to sate hunger, slake thirst. . .a seething, bristling rage. Primal fury. A powder keg set to explode.”

“The sensations were at once exhilarating and repugnant.”

Moonleafs affects on Worgen;

“The smell of them steadied me. . .sharpened my concentration.”

Ramsey as a Feral Worgen can talk to Alpha prime, it’s unknown if Ferals can just talk or if this is a special case but since we have other examples of ferals talking like regular people we can assume the former.

“Conflicted, conflicted is how I feel. Still Human enough to know that this state (the fact he is a Feral Worgen) I’m in is an…aberration.”

Alpha Prime lead a bloody charge into the City of Gilneas infecting and killing people and the Gilneans rallied to fend off the Worgen and towards the end when both sides are rallying Greymane shifts to a worgen long before we see him do so in the Starting zone and asks the Gilnean people if they will stand with him (they do.)

Oh yeah, Blood is also a massive trigger to Worgen apparently;

“Instantly, peace, calm and serenity were shattered. Rage swelled anew. I raced towards the Source (Blood).”

“My heart hammered within my chest. My pulse thundered.”

“Driven by hunger, overwhelmed by the desire to to pierce flesh with my teeth, to rend and tear…to feast.”

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Jailor’s Law Book in the Stormshield Keep’s prison is the only indication of how Alliance’s prison policy, actually, worked during WoD. Memey or not, but its canon and very based.

https://gyazo.com/3f22e48394bda593d22e64f4ab451fef

  1. Await prisoners sent to prison from our comrades above.
  2. Open the door and approach the prisoner slowly, but with conviction.
  3. Say upon the prisoner, “You have been found guilty of crimes against the Alliance!”
  4. Slay the prisoner with righteous conviction.
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In a quest in the Jade Forest you go into a mine and kill Greenstone Nibblers and free Pandaren from the rubble. A dialogue might pop up from the npc saying something along the lines of “My son will be able to see his paw paw again.” (its not word by word but its what I remember). It suggests that Pandaren children might call their father’s paw paw instead of papa or something like that.

Elenthas has cursed me by shilling “The Last Guardian” and much like Karazhan I am now stuck in limbo and live inside this book so:
-Medivh begins with Khadgar by questioning the various things he knows/doesn’t know including the different types of magic Mages can make use of.

  • “And your primary Elementals?” “Nature Magic? asked Medivh. Ripening, culling, harvesting? Can you take a seed and pull the youth from it until it becomes a flower?”

Mages also use air as Khadgar and Medivh demonstrate in the Novel.

  • “A wall of solidified air slammed into the younger man.”
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While The Last Guardian is amazing book (IMO the best Warcraft book, actually), we need to remember that it´s 16 years old, maybe written before Warcraft III was released. The lore has progressed since then and information from it should be taken with grain of salt.

And people complain about the Alliance executing prisoners…

In the book,The Shattering, Cairne backhands Garrosh across his freshly tattooed jaw, and that will never stop being funny.

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“Wait!” Turalyon ordered. He deeply disapproved of torture, and he was beginning to think that even if he permitted Danath to continue, the orc would say nothing of use—orcs had a high tolerance for pain—and chances were he’d pass out, or die, before speaking. “There might be another way to find out.”
Danath stayed his hand. He felt Alleria’s eyes on him, angry, wanting to see the creature hurt. But that would solve nothing.

Turalyon closed his eyes and slowed his breathing, reaching for the quiet, still pool deep inside him, the center where no matter what was raging in his head or heart, he was at peace. From that place of calmness, he asked for aid, for the Light.

He felt a tingling along his skin as the Light responded, granting him its power and its unspeakable grace. He heard gasps from his friends and a frightened cry from the prisoner, and inhaled deeply, opening his eyes to see the familiar shimmering along his hands, his arms. Danath and Khadgar stared at him, their eyes wide in shock.

From Beyond the Dark Portal.

  • Enslaving people with the Light isn’t a new thing, nor is it a retcon.
  • Other humans aren’t onboard with enslaving people with the Light, even if they are orcs. On the contrary, witnessing the Light being able to do that terrifies them.
  • Orcs have a high pain threshold, making conventional torture methods useless.
  • A depiction of how calling upon the Light is described from a character’s point of view for those who are interested in such.
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