at some point the broken dreanei will become protoss.
Pylons are actually a thing in dreanei tech.
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MY LIFE FOR AIUR
I mean⌠Argus!
My life for Ai- i mean for nerâzhul⌠wait⌠zhul? zul⌠nerâzhul was actually a buff troll.
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You two wanna take your C grade memes to the unpopular opinions thread? ![:slight_smile:](https://d1bg94bbsh66ji.cloudfront.net/en/wow/images/emoji/twitter/slight_smile.png?v=6" ":slight_smile:")
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Sorry but from here we are going to⌠D grade.
(will throw in a lore tidbit that i keep forgetting but want to share later)
Ahem, well i have something related to it
The Hand of Argus organization seems to be not only consisting of Vindicators, but Anchorites aswell, as we see in the battle for Exodar (Legion one, to reach Lightâs heart to Velen)
So, we saw the Hand of Argus Joining Silver Hand in Legion
So, here comes something a bit Headcanon-ish
1- Maybe Silver Hand also got Priest support, as the Argent Crusade joined it as well, maybe more than just Paladins
2- The Anchorites, similar to High Priestess Ishanah, and many Grand Anchorites NPCs in Netherlight, joined Conclave
3- Remained and acted as Exodar forces
4- Combination of the three above⌠Like, we see Tahu and Delas moonfang from conclave work with and support Silver Hand, and later Silver Hand defending Netherlight, Also seeing them in ExodarâŚ
Personally i think combination is more correct
I think we need a Source/Quote rule @Telaryn 
While The Last Guardian is amazing book (IMO the best Warcraft book, actually), we need to remember that it´s 16 years old, maybe written before Warcraft III was released. The lore has progressed since then and information from it should be taken with grain of salt.
Apologies for not responding or seeing this quicker than I did Dorias but âThe Last Guardianâ was recently re-released in 2016 under the âWarcraft: Blizzard Legendsâ collection and as most books are when re-released it was likely checked over (or perhaps not at all) when it was meaning the information in it is far more up to date.
https://wow.gamepedia.com/Blizzard_Legends
The fact that old gods are created by so called void-lords makes me wonder when we are going to see the grand conflict between light and dark on azeroth in an ironically grey perspective.
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As per the Bloodsworn comic, the Wrathgate had a massively negative effect on forsaken reputation in the Horde. So much so that forsaken were lynched in Orgrimmar. Felgrim, a forsaken character in the comic got pretty tired of all the suspicion and the like and became a rude dude about it.
Edit: Interestingly, the comic revolves around the double-standards of the Horde and itâs best summed up by the chad Ashraâs rant:
âThrall preached unity, but rarely does your kind live by those words. And this new warchief, Garrosh, does he even pretend to embrace these ideals?â
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Protein exists in wow⌠Meats do have it⌠
pumpin saronite intensifies
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Cross posting re. orcish biology from another thread so I donât have to copy-paste the exact same post here.
Still anoyed how apparently orcs are the uber beings, here, bieng better in everything than everyone else.
How did they not yet decimate every single race in existence yet?
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If you look at the history of orcs and their warfare, orcs have a history of blitzing through enemies that take them on in a 1v1. Stormwind, Ashenvale, Dun Morogh up until the point the dwarves turtled in Ironforge, and so forth. It took for all the races of the Alliance to band together (and internal strife in the Horde) for the orcs to be defeated in the Second War. Up until that point, individual nations fell one by one.
The Allianceâs strength comes from numbers and logistics through their unity, while the Hordeâs â and especially the orcs â comes from overpowering individuals in lightning warfare.
How have they not decimated every single race in existence yet? Because going against âevery single race in existenceâ is a huge numbers disadvantage and it doesnât matter how powerful you are when youâre not equipped for long-term conflict. Saurfang promises as much in A Good War to his troops.
P.S. given the usual nature of these debates with you, can I suggest the Pet Peeves thread instead? The Lore threadâs a respectable place for sources and citations, not biased complaints and anger.
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Oke, I had a whole post here, but letâs not.
Youâre right, I am the only disrespectable part on this thread and reporting me for lashing out for Telaryn insulting me is obviously cause for reporting me as trolling.
As far as I know, they did not blitz through the Kingdom of Stormwind during the First War, though? I mean I distinctly remember them almost bieng pushed back through the Dark Portal.
Ofcourse this is from a time where the lore was less⌠developed.
But with the help of the Horde, shouldnât the orcs be equipped for long term conflict? The Forsaken certainly are, and the blood elves are pretty militarised too, as are the new troll allies.
Mix that with the orcish uberness, fact they can smell better then other races, see better then elves, hear better gilneans, they should by all accounts be nigh unstoppable if supported by their Horde allies.
Blackhandâs ineffective tactics were costly at first, but when Orgrim took command Stormwind fell very soon after in the war. Itâs kind of the point of the First War that Stormwind got absolutely destroyed, to set up the stage for their threat in the Second War.
Long-term war requires more than just numbers. The most important part is logistics â an army marches on its stomach is an age old adage which remains absolutely true. Most of the land the Horde inhabits isnât very arable or rich in natural resources â another plot point used to set up the war in Cataclysm.
Trolls and Orcs share Durotar, a barren land. Forsaken have no arable land or natural resources to speak of both before and after the fall of Undercity. Blood elves are a very small part of the Horde and canât supply the entirety of it, more so with their apparent autonomy due to their isolation where blood elves donât always dedicate to the Horde war effort in full (see Under Shadow of the Sun where blood elves almost sat out the Northrend invasion). The tauren canât supply the entire Horde with Mulgore and rest of their lands are just as Barren.
The new Allied Races certainly help with what they can, but that alone isnât enough to compete against the Allianceâs overwhelming amount of resources.
And comparing the entire Horde against the entire Alliance, the Alliance still has both the numbers and logistical advantage. Unsurprisingly the Alliance avoids 1v1 confrontations, another plot point explored in A Good War and why the importance of the navy (or lack thereof) is what gives them an advantage against the night elves â the Alliance couldnât reinforce them in time.
It wasnât so much an insult as much as it was an observation based on how these discussions unfortunately often turn out. Just look at the discussion in the 8.2 Rise of Azshara thread the other day and how that turned out. Not exactly very constructive for a thread dedicated to compiling lore sources together as a community.
Getting into a tangent about how someone feels about the Horde and the orcs and other factional biases is a very quick way to derail the thread with personal grievances. Letâs stick with the sources.
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Huh, I thought Orgrim took command after the First War? Guess I gonna need to refresh my knowledge of the First War ⌠grumble
True enough, but wasnât the starvation problem the orcs faced during/before the cataclysm solved with the Horde gaining the lands of Azshara? And youâre right that the Forsaken and blood elves are unable to supply the Horde proper, admittedly.
Do they, though? The Wildhammers, gnomes, worgen, night elves, draenei and void elves are all either homeless, extremely minor groups or close to extinction.
The Alliance only has Stormwind, Ironforge and Kul Tiras at the very moment to support the rest of the Alliance.
Oke, just want to say I felt attacked, which might notâve been the most mature thing, but alas, weâre here now.
The change of command came mid-war when Orgrim realized Blackhand would lead them to their doom.
It solved the starvation problem, but when you also need more supplies to wage long-term war, Azshara alone doesnât really cut it. Forsaken not needing supplies helps solve their campaign, but rest of the Horde forces have to get by with what they can.
Stormwind, Kul Tiran and dwarven forces are the most notable backbone of Alliance offensives in BFA in all the incursions and Arathi Warfront. Other races which tag along usually seem to fulfill the role of auxiliary rather than main bulk of the force.
Obvious exception is the night elves in Darkshore, but they also have druids with them who can grow pumpkins in a couple of seconds so suffice to say their campaign is well looked after.
Fair enough, that happens. Maybe the wording was harsh on my part, I just really donât want this thread to be derailed with the usual petty arguments the faction war topic can bring out of people.