hard vs unrewarding. google the difference
if those HCs were dropping second highest loot in the game as the WolTK ones did, not a worthless crap you could AFK for in LFR, people would have been happily CCing just like they did in TBC
Why? You can still go higher and get better gear something Billy won’t do. No need to nerf the gear.
U cant have the current difficulty of high M+ in the game if u put this on Auto finder
Players will walk into it and Immediately rage. this happened in cata it generated Millions of Unsubs, if its On Auto finder That catagory of player SHOULD be able to access it on the DIFFICULTY Their accustomed to.
U cant Do that, ur bleeding a Minmax enviroment with The Absolute peak of Casual content. it’ll go mental.
Did you ever enter a BG?
Can’t you see this is a class balance problem?
If some kids cry it’s to hard, and it actually is hard. Then we know very well the system is successful and players would support that. It is widely known that gamers want a challenge, crybabies would be silenced quickly.
i have personally quit cata when Dragon soul turned out to be the most boring raid ever to date. We ran it once and next week half of our raiders in guild did not sign up.
Or why Billy needs gear from a dungeon which he won’t die even if standing naked or in greeny quest gear?
PvP is NOTHING alike PvE. im afraid
and its Playerbases are COmplete polar opposite in ways they engage with the game.
PvP is a Active Demand of Skill based Combat, PvE is a Active Demand for a Loot Grind, their goals and reason to play are nothing alike hence why PvP Games DONT have Loot. like LoL fortnite GW2 etc etc.
Dont apply logic of one to the other. its the reason PvPers have raged for so long as being treated like pvers.
Lol no.
U cant bleed the Minmax enviroments and Casual Enviroments it’ll cause Conflict on a Grand Scale.
If ur going to give M+ to the Auto finder, u have to take it AWAYH from the minmax, these communities cannot collide, it just doesnt work, the way to remove M+ from the Minmax enviroment is to reduce its reward to M+0.
U cant have a System which involves BOTH Communities, its why Heroics have been such a MASS Hatred iof DF pre M+ Launch and has now completely died.
Casuals and Minmaxers DONT GET ALONG. they HATE one another, and generally percieved as Toxic to one another. SEPERATE them, the idea of the game is to give BOTH audiences their content. thats how WoWs remained successful
I don’t think we play the same game.
we do play the same game lol…
PvP and PvE arent the same and cant be developed in the same fashion,
hencve why NOW PvP has no loot grind lol, and no ones whinging about it, but ur trying to do it in pvE and it has everyone up in arms.
None’s trying to force them to play together. Anyway, stop trying to judge casuals.
brah.
Auto finder, is where Casuals are.
If u put a Minmax System in Auto finder ur going to force them to play together. because ur Removing the ability for players to choose who they play with in trade of a Randomized system which throws us together.
ur Litterally arguing to put them in the dead Center of Casual Content.
Delete the Rewards and put M+ in Auto finder.
If someone wants to run a +30 for fun, they can, Just not for loot. go raid to gear for it.
Anyways. Time to hop off the merry-go around.
As far as I can see. We got 2 options:
- Either certain people get over their social phobia…or not. Their problem.
- Make m+ quable at its current state. But then every random John who wont accept “dying while standing in fire pool” will complain Blizzard’s ear off till they nerf to the ground. But if they do it then they will nerf it the rewards it give as well. Cause you can’t have a situation where standing /afk at the entrance gives you more reward than even a normal raid which requires even the most basic and primative knowledge of doing basic stuff like moving out of a fire pool.
So no Kyru, You “can’t have cake and eat it too”.
Start with opening your mind…
What is this about. Am I suggesting you are forced to play LFG over your friends and guilds?
Oh wait. You’re not playing with friends and guilds. Your playing with randoms that adhere to a elitist toxic system. Well enough said then.
Open up the game.
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Well go look at DF Launch week, read the posts concerning Auto finder HC Runs.
people were screeching against speed runners.
Im not saying im forced, im saying im going to. Its FASTER and EASIER with PORT.
i can do my open world content WHILE Queuing. its More efficent.
its Proven We all will use the Auto finder, thats Known, it happens everytime, we’ll just ruin the game for the casuals who will then come here and screech, because the communities cant co-exist.
So clearly there are major problems that needs to be addressed.
Yes. Seperate them lol.
Speedrunners have a Right to speedrun
and non speedrunners have the right to not.
but when u put them in the same group with equal rights 1 will win over and the other will go without, thats just how it works, u cant tell me to speed run anymore then i can tell u not to. ur going to feed one side of the fence to the Piranas.
and as HC proved… its going to be the casuals.
And they would between high and low keys.
You are at such high level of fault here it’s incredible. Did you start in BFA?
why?
Since valor launch, its common to get KSM and then Spam farm +2s for Rewards because its Quicker. Stop beating around the bush, Alts exist they wont jump to +20s just because we are speedrunners.
nope Played since vanilla.
Im just aware of what happened in HC
heard sthe saying “repeating the same test expecting different results is insanity”?
Yet you seem completely unaware what a casual is.
Not a group I need to defend 
I can’t deal with this anymore. Sorry.
Im very aware of what a casual is.
Im also very aware Casuals and minmaxers Dont get along, as fundamentally the they percieve the game difficulty.
Minmaxers Dont play for fun
Casuals Do play for fun.
these mentalities dont work, it’d be like Emptying PvP Ranked games into normal queues and expecting nothing to go wrong
Lmao, when u imply ur the intelligent one in regards, Im sorry but ur wrong.
DF HCs proved this
Cata HCs Proved this
M+ Introduction proved this
im sorry, but u cant mesh the playerbases, and saying “oh well one can just premade and the other can use it” is a Fallacy, ur asking one Audience to play the game in a Subpar fashion for the sakes of others it wont happen.
a Auto finder allows a player to port in and Out of a Dungeon instantly, to where he was, allowing ongoing open world progression simultaniously to a higher efficency.
the auto finder would Win outright, we’d all conform to using it and we’d then break into mass arguments.
u cant expect either party to take the shortfall in regards to this, if u split the M+ community between Auto finder and LFG u will Reduce the playerbases in both Catagories, extending Wait times to enter.
Therefore its obvious 100% of the playerbase using ONE system is Simply faster to make groups. look at Faction balance, its one of the leading reasons the game has lopsided into one faction. its about Maximising the pool of players accessible to play with.
ur Ideas are Ok. but ur concept of how players will engage with them is Completely off. u lack understanding and simply cant see ur idea beyond paper. the way players engage with systems will never be how u want them to.
I dont think you would find a single person on the forum thatd seriously want the concept of playing with the opposing crowd. Its as if you just ignored everything that happened regarding the HC controversery.