I was wondering… why actually not? What exactly speaks against it, what are your thoughts?
Should work kinda like solo queue, except that you can join with a few friends.
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What do you want to solve ? Less time looking for a group ?
The issue is nobody wants to heal/tank. So unless your [insert LFG idea here] creates healers/tanks from thin air… you solve nothing. Like in Solo Quew : 40 to 1h wait times for DDs. 30s wait times for healers.
They traded “looking for partners in LFA” for 1h to “sitting in Dornogal doing nothing for 1h”. People thought it would magically spawn healers to play arenas. But what it caused is scare healers away even more… because healers get paired with random idiots that are unhealable.
Therefore, if there are to be changes, those changes have to be to Tanks and Healer tuning vs. dungeon difficulty.
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I am not always following meta and sometimes, like this season, I am playing that’s considered C tier, apparently. Yet I have absolutely no idea why. I can definitely heal everything I played so far, yet I can’t make people understand that I am able to do that, so I am not getting invited. People are blindly following tier lists. Man… I even had a guy telling me MW monk is a better pug healer than Rdruid… like lol…
Many people simply lack the understanding of the game and while I understand that some people might struggle on some classes, it doesn’t make them bad. Just like the gameplay of the top 1% of players does not apply to the majority.
The idea behind M+ finder is basically to let people play. You can’t change the community, their lack of experience and them making poor decisions but you can bring the community together and make them play.
I do but the higher I go, the less of a chance I am getting for the said reasons. I am sure I am not the only guy out there experiencing this issue.
Right now I am farming a few pieces from GB and Mists, both +7. I am getting declined like 70% of my applications. I even swapped to tanking now because it’s easier to get into groups…
Na, I am fully aware of that but you need to keep in mind, before that people were not even able to play a single arena match and were only sitting in LFG, sometimes even for hours.
Also, solo shuffle has a different set of issues, that I don’t see an “M+ finder” having.
I was playing mainly PvP and the only reason I stopped playing shuffle was because it obviously has nothing to do with actual arena and PvP while the rewards were lacking. It felt more like a job, I was healing low xp players who barely had their UI set up. It felt like boosting someone without getting anything in return. M+ will not have this issue. I don’t think it will feel like boosting, at least not more than what it feels now in most keys. Meanwhile there is an actual reward in the end.
I find tanking and healing right now completely fine. I am more annoyed by not being able to actually play at some point. People have insanely stupid expectations that at some point you simple can’t join the “good” groups to actually keep pushing. Ye, I know, I could be having a full pre made group but I am not willing to change my entire life around a game and be forced to go online when my team can, meanwhile they have to do the same. We are not making money with it, it’s supposed to be fun and chill, kinda.
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Reason it doesn’t exists is cause it would infringe on certain vocal peoples ego. Since now the plebs could more easily access the same content they put effort Stare at the group finder spaming join for hours on end into doing.
If it can be pugged, it can be queued. And the issue is often not actually the difficulty, but the duration you are stuck doing the content.
Prime example, the cataclysm troll raids turned dungeons. They were fantastic on release, but took like 2+ hours to get done, resulting in people being tired halfway through and then resulting in groups collapsing.
I’d like one beef-jerky thanks!
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Give us the same system as the ai dungeons.
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O boy, sit down Mac, drink some coffee and we got stuff to discuss.
Even in current premade system, some peps tend slip through the cracks and goes full pikachu mode when you ask them to interrupt X in a +7 and if there will be such “M+ finder” then the few pugs I tank(I mostly tank for guildies and m+ community), I will avoid the finder like the plague which will be crawling with people who expect a +10 done while they clip their toenails and watch netflix on 2nd monitor…and ofc blame me or the healer for dying while they stood in fire and the healer was already sitting in their sea of sweet trying to keep them alive.
Edit:
You actually reminded me of a Siege +7 run when I got chewed out by pugs who blamed me for being a bad tank cause I “couldn’t hold agro of the 1st boss”. 
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I obviously left after the 2nd wipe.
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Refreshing to see a post like this from someone who’s ok with not just being DPS. Means we don’t need to talk about how ridiculous the queue times would be.
Okay. Let’s put ourselves in the shoes of the owner of such a key. They do not, for one reason or another, want you (or at least do not prefer you), along with any number of players that Blizzard might matchmake them with using this system. Why then should they risk the key by not using Premade Groups? What makes you think you would end up in keys you want with this system?
Would you risk your own key on this system, rather than assembling a group yourself?
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This request keeps coming up. I would never use it so to me i see no problem with having it in game. I’ll have the popcorn ready for all the posts that will come from ppl when they got grouped with a «bad» comp 
and giving this m+ finder would also add the puishment ppl wants for leavers, win win i guess.
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Ye, that’s what I am saying. It won’t get worse than that. Eventually these people won’t be getting score to get to do higher keys in the finder. Basically it’s impossible to be worse than pugging. What else could they do wrong? Not popping a defensive? Failing interrupt? Failing dodge one shot? It’s already happening lmao^^
People can use whatever they want, it’s up to them. Nobody is forced to do anything, I guess? I’d not replace the current system but have the finder as an addition. Pre-made groups are not affected anyway, right? Unless they are not fully pre-made but only 3-4 people, at this point they might find equally minded people or even completel their pre-made.
You mean like skill wise or people who don’t go full trolololol mode?
The system of course should have a score to it. Obviously the “beginning” (more like mid keys, after the ez keys) will be rough but I think it will establish itself the further you go. Right now the further you go, the less you play unless you are playing a meta class or are a streamer.
Yes, I would 100%. Because I don’t care about the score tbh, I just wanna play. I guess that sound might a bit strange to some people but that’s actually my driving intention.
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How about this…
Key bricking shouldn’t be a thing.
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Problem is. Right now, depending on the tolerance of the group or just plain luck(had runs when I usually try to interrupt, the protadin covers every interrupt) the other guys can carry the low performing one. In a “m+ finder” all 3 dpsers will be of the… same cloth cause even a descent dps will try to avoid m+ finder if possible.
I can imagine the tank and healer who can’t cover all the interrupts look at their 3 “derp” dpsers who doesn’t even know what the interrupt is…AAAND if the healer and tank is also of a similiar…“cloth”. Actually… Yes. Blizz please introduce the m+ finder but make it with an observe option. I will even pay an admission ticket just to see the best comedy of my lifetime!
/sarcasm off obviously
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Those too I suppose, and thank you for elaborating, but I meant the key itself. You said you want GB +7 and Mists +7. So, are you going to sit in a really long queue hoping for someone to list such a key, and hoping you’re first in line? Because if you’re fine with doing just some random +4, you can just easily join some random +4 with the current system, since you’re cool with tanking.
Yes, how about it. I hope you realize this idea is a far greater change than what OP suggested.
Well that’s the thing, who says your pug group will have anyone who is able to carry anything? People are pugging high(er) keys, it’s not like they suddenly start building full pre-mades for this. A pug group is not different to me than the M+ finder groups will be. Why should they? You have the same process, it’s gonna be people equal to your score, you just don’t get to choose the specs you play with. Doesn’t mean the group comp has to be terrible tho, like 3 BM hunters, prot pala and whatever the worst healer right now is.
I am farming it right now, it has not much to do with my general suggestion. But like you can queue heroic dungeons right now, the same way M+ finder could work. I am not expecting to be first in line but I also don’t need to sit here and manually try to apply to a group.
Well I do want some sort of progression too, otherwise I could be just playing heroic dungeons. I could be doing 10+ or higher, gear and skill wise but getting there on my class is unrealistic, so I lower my goals and go to +7 since I can still upgrade my gear a bit here and those keys are easy enough to do.
This is my last +7 run: https://imgur.com/qE0DhJA
Not once did I get outhealed by any tank this season, except for blood DK of course. And it’s not like there was nothing to heal and people also died, even tho they were a 3 people pre-group. But even then, it’s still not a problem to time the key. On paper tho he is a better M+ healer than me, since higher ilvl, S tier class and higher io. That’s why I am not a fan of the current system. It’s better than nothing but it’s still super flawed.
People sweat too much about low keys, idk, the community is just weird. I just wanna play but with a bit of challenge and have at least an illusion of a progression, even if it’s just a grind for like 7 ilvls.
Or, if they want to be really adventurous, create an alternative grouping method where all classes are given the tools to take care of themselves. No longer requiring a tank or healer.
A bit like delves grouping, I suppose.
Don’t know how well that kind of thing would do for M+ though (since I lack the experience to speak on that).
A leader(well descent one at least) can easily spot a boostee in rio and thus can avoid him. You can also inspect your team before actually starting the key. If I am planning to time a +9…which I consider a higher end key and I got a dps who doesn’t have a single…even r1 cheap enchant on him, its already a red flag.
You can also talk with your puggees before starting a key. Dead silent puggees are also a warning sign.
In an auto-queue system, you can’t do neither of these things and blindly checking the rio number without even going into detail is a disaster waiting to happen.
2nd. History has already shown that if “its its queable then it must be killable even by 5 drunken monkeys”. Just imagine the 
storm there will be on forums about “I waited 2h in queue, got in and we can’t kill 1st boss cause its too hard”, I didnt wait 2h only for you Blizz to throw me into an non-doable dungeon! NERF IT NOAW! I PAY THE SUB TOO!
Not convinced? Go back to early cata dungeons where they weren’t hard but people had to actually use CC and watch what they pull otherwise they would get wrecked.
Result?
Predictable! The forums where flooded with demands to Blizzard nerf cause they “if they waited in queue for 30 mins then they demand the kill&loot because they pay the sub too”. Blizzard caved in and nerfed it so hard that you could easily clear it while sitting on your keyboard with your butt…
Well, that’s if you have the key. But if you are the one applying? If you message the key holder, not is there barely anything you can say, you will even put on ignore just for messaging them lol^^
Key holders, at least pugs, look for requirements that are usually far above than what you need to complete the key in time. The question is: How do you make the key holder understand you are able to pull your weight and meet the requirements to complete the key, regardless of your class and ilvl?
Well sure, I guess? But that’s the people who are not even playing +7 or higher right now. We are not taking any option away from them, they will just have an additional one. They can use it or not.
You think there are no clown fiestas in +2s? +4s? Also if anything It actually affects +7 keys cause delves T8 pretty much cover up to +6 and once people will be decked out with delve gear, they will move to +7 which gives hero gear…if they will want to continue progressing.
Also we got guilds, m+ communities and stuff where people easily can do M+ together. Options are available for them. If they dont’t want use those options then its on them. And please dont start with the excuses. Heard 101 excuses already so you wont say something which I havent heard before already.
So Blizz needs to invest resources and manpower to develop a system for a small fraction of people who believe that “Blizzard owes them a M+ clear and refuse to do anything themselves”?
Its an end-game pillar, same as mythic raiding or gladiator level PvP. Yet nobody is demanding(yet) for mythic raiding to be queueable yet how come m+ has fallen victim to the “I pAY the sUB too!” crowd?
Yeah, have fun having people waste your time and wasting keys because they’re only capable of doing LFR difficulty stuff and even then they manage to die in there.
Could do with LFG for Mythic 0 dungeons though.
There sure is a clown fiesta in +2 and +4, I mean it’s even in +7 already, which is why it’s even more annoying trying to apply for a +7 knowing you are not a clown. But then again, +7 is just a number rn, once the plebs will get there, the rest will move higher, naturally.
Sure but it’s not solving the problem. If a pug player is not taking you because you are not playing S tier spec, why should he suddenly change his mind being in a community on some discord?
I am not in any community, is there a discord you would suggest?
Like? Now I am curious.
This barely costs them anything nor does it need a huge development, is basically just a copy pasta from solo shuffle/blitz or even dungeon finder. Also, I don’t know if we are speaking of a small fraction or not, that’s just thrown into the ring like that.
And I’d say yes, Blizzard owes me something, a functioning system. If the system is so flawed by now that I have to make sure I am bringing my own players into an online game because their LFG function is not working (even tho it’s more the fault of the people and not the system) properly, they have to adjust. Remember, there is NOTHING that I can do to make a key holder make me invite. Nothing. And it’s a horrible solution to say “just don’t play it (it being mid range keys, 7-9)” or “reroll what streamers say is meta”.
Na, 7-9 keys atm are nothing like that. Not even close. If you said 12-14, I’d probably agree but 7-9 is a joke.
They did it for arena (solo shuffle) and rbg (solo blitz) so what exactly speaks against M+?
Its a self-created problem that some people believe that m+ can only be done with pugging(and even then by signing up to other keys instead of using their own) and they outright even refuse to explore other options.
Discord wise. The last days I have been pretty much spamming m+s with No Pressure community. Dont remember the link though. cant share it from discord either, I am on work PC atm. Can just search around or somebody else can link it here.
I got a job. I got a kid. I got social anxiety(this one is actually curious. Some people start screaming out of their lungs the moment you suggest saying Hi to somebody. Like chill out, I am not suggesting you to marry the said person 
), nobody wants my key, I demand M+ invite because I pay the sub too.
This are the ones which come from my mind on the spot.
They are more akin to normal/heroic sure if you want to argue details but normal and heroic isn’t queueable either so you have simply moved the goalpost and nothing else changed.
Go to the PvP section and ask PvP guys how that solo shuffle is working out. Last time I heard, it was a complete and utter disaster.
So why not implant it in m+? I am sure it will “work out this time”.
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