The only real guide worth following for hunter is the icyveins one, but hunter discord will always have the most up to date information possible. Versatility is usually listed as the weakest stat because in general it’s true, but all 4 stats are relatively close and decisions should be based on sims if looking to optimise. And then you can decide how much damage you want to drop for vers DR based on that.
You can get 4.5% avoidance from enchants alone. That’s 4.5% damage reduction from the exact thing you state is killing you - VP last boss AoE, HoI first boss aoe, etc.
Because i’m not the one saying that i’m struggling defensively? If I were to do higher keys (25s or whatever) then I would absolutely consider it. If I die, there was probably something I could have done better, you are the one saying that it’s the classes fault.
It’s possible I will push keys soon, but i’ll play shadow priest most likely, and will absolutely run sporecloak for the same reasons.
?? lol. I think you’ll find i’m the most positive one in these threads.
On the contrary, you are one of the very few who think defensive CDs are good.
Avoid generalizing.
If I die it’s probably my mistake but if I die because the defensive cds have an abnormal recovery time or are not efficient in the face of the disproportionate damage of the bosses in mythic, then there is something that needs to be improved in them .
No, I’m not the only one saying it but right…the others only know how to complain because there are your statistics on Raid deaths which clarifies every aspect… Lol
So why are you questioning why i’m not running vers/sporecloak? You are contradicting your own points like what lol
Because since you consider both as the ultimate solution to my problems (and not writing more cautiously as help) I was wondering why you didn’t have them too.
Even if you claim you don’t have the same problem as me (which isn’t just my problem) wouldn’t it be preferable to have more defense in order to lighten the workload of the healers?
If I felt like I needed them, I would run them?
Like wtf is this argument lmao, you are complaining about defensives and upset that i’m not running defensive gear? Even though i’m saying we are defensively fine?
Shadow priests are running sporecloak, Dev evokers are running sporecloak, why aren’t you if you feel like you need it? Hell, choker of shielding is probably even a better option.
That’s what I try to do everytime I get into a PUGhell … but it’s just not possible for me alone to deal with all the Interrupts, Crowd Controls, dungeon-specific mechanics, BR when needed with my engineer gadget, on top of having to pull my own weight around in the DPS check.
And honestly, after yet another evening trying to get enough Wyrm Crests and getting in +14/+15 keystones that were not even close to be timed by people so dense they have their own gravitationnal pull failing to counter everything else than DPS, I’m losing hope.
The ONE run that went smoothly was with people that actually were severely undergeared for a +14, but actually knew what to do and when in Vortex Pinacle, we even got that one 3-chested, despite my own stupid self getting thrown out of the circle against the dragon boss and getting instagibbed out of line of sight.
So, really, I agree that DPS is not the final answer, teamwork and knowledge wins every time.
I’m just burning out of the game because of the utter lack of people actually willing to work as a team in PUGhell.
By the way, I did not go “full Versa” nor blindly follow guides, I managed to get just enough Versatility for it to be sensible without killing the more important stats, but I do have a serious problem with the Wailing Arrow talent : yes it’s huge, even if it’s silence effect only last 3 seconds, but it’s also the only Talent in the whole BM spec that is NOT usable while moving with a cast time of 1.7 seconds.
I’m still tinkering around, I will continue until I find a way, but Wailing Arrow kills me if my timing is not perfect, due to the “staying still” part and my own personnal limitations (still lots to learn, not perfect reflexes, and health issues I won’t go into here).
Icyveins is literally a copy/paste of the Wowhead guide, complete with typos.
I’ve stopped following both of those, and turned toward the Community (such as it is …) and my own experiences, tests and data analysis.
On top of that, every guide out there assumes you get the Best in Slot gear … a feat I’ve never managed since December 2021, so I must adapt everything to what I can actually get.
I managed to get my Avoidance to 22% with Enchants and lower iLVL items that I kept just because they had a proc of Avoidance.
When I take blasts to the face of 700K on my 450K Stamina (I’m almost never at full health once a figth starts), those 22% are simply not enough.
Still flat as a pancake, better to just be elsewhere.
AoE its the least of your problems immo, really you shouldnt need avoidance.
No offence, but especially as a newer player - basing everything on your own experiences and ‘data analysis’ is usually a horrendous idea if you are looking to play optimally (Of course, if you’d rather play this way thats completely fine). Icyveins (and wowhead is not the same, but similar) is the absolute combination of all the efforts of the hunter discord, and is undoubtedly the best resource out there for all 3 hunter specs. Icyveins and raidbots is all anybody should need.
Most other guides out there either copy it, or are just flat out incorrect. Nothing about the guide assumes BiS gear.
It’s never worth dropping item level for, but it is an amazing bonus to have on gear. You are taking 22% less damage from AoE in that scenario, it’s like having a personal CD up for every single AoE in the game permanently. How is that bad? Again, should not drop ilevel for it though.
There is nothing in the game that hits you for 700k on 450k HP thats unavoidable. Again, no offence because I know you are only doing +14s etc, but standing in bad kills you. No amount of defensive cooldowns or stats are supposed to save you from messing up.
What Wtf is your argument?
You advise me to increase the Versa and wear the Sporeclok as a solution to the Hunter’s defensive cds.
Yours isn’t a solution because it’s like putting a plaster on a wound that needs stitches.
Of course, you’re still wondering why you would wear the Sporeclock and augment the Versa even though you don’t feel the need to.
It’s a bit like saying “keep the tips to yourself” because I don’t think they are a solution to what is commonly found among Hunters.
They are choices and it is not the rule.
Otherwise all Shadow priests, for example, who have a high Rio would all be wearing it and that’s not the case.
List your own key, and only pick people who are on alts and have high scoring mains. It will take (a lot) longer to find a group, but your patience will be rewarded with mostly quick and tidy runs. (By ‘high scoring’ mains, I mean mains with an absolute minimum of 2.5k rating, preferably above 2.7 or 2.8k.)
You’re at that difficult key level where mechanics start to matter, but most players who have just got to that level have no idea how to do them. Playing with people who are used to playing above that level will mostly solve the problem.
Best correct that to UNavoidable, or someone will pick it up and use it as a basis for an argument.
Yes, this is called a solution to your problem.
I don’t need a solution, because i’m saying there is no problem.
You are literally confused as to why i’m not running a solution to a problem that I don’t actually have lol.
It’s actually VERY common at high score. And by high score, I mean doing keys in the 25+ range. People don’t tend to use defensive things in 21/22s, because they are simply not needed. This again shows that, if you are having defensive issues in 21/22s, it’s probably user error.
This rages on. Some of us just want a bit of parity with other specs/classes. Like the talent tree sorting out, comparable AoE at equivalent parse levels. And some fixes to defensives. But Bilzzard just seem to be ignoring hunters completely, I mean, utter silence. I mean the 10.1.5 patch notes tell you everything you need to know. A fix to scatter shot in a week where I’d take binding shot every time? Yeah, thanks there.
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Pretty much.
If this silence continues until 10.2 I am going to unsub honestly.
Writing is my job, and there’s a 5000 characters limit on these message boards.
I’m actually restraining myself from making longer, more detailled posts.
Bit too long to do quotes … I actually agree with you : dropping my iLVL to run some tests was a bad idea, and I don’t base my Talents, gear and more only on my own tests.
I do indeed get as much information as possible from as much sources as possible.
Finally, yes, not being in the blast is above everything else !
But those 22% Avoidance with the same general iLVL after grinding some more Crests still did not do enough, I’m back to getting out of the dangerous zones rather than trying to endure. Those are really good, I know that, just not enough when not being there means zero damage instead of damage reduction.
My biggest problem is actually getting interesting tertiary stats on gear (or even getting gear at all, I haven’t opened my Vault yet, but the 7 previous weeks gave me the xbow from BH [that I already use at iLVL 437], and the same two necklaces with crit/versa and versa/crit … YES, seven weeks in a row !), everything I managed to get so far had speed tertiary stats. Even the putrid idol from BH, speed proc.
I also realize I still have a lot to learn, most notably in the “where I should be” department.
Thank you for taking the time to give my advice, tips and tricks.
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You confuse between solution and help.
Yours is absolutely not a solution.
I thought I was clear.
It was a way of saying “keep your tips to yourself” (Versa and Sporeclok) because to me it’s not a solution to the real problem of defensive cds but just a help.
Is this your interpretation or what?
Who says that?
Keep your senseless whines to yourself then if he has to keep his good advice to himself.