And flexible timegate is path of least resitance compared to scheluded raiding. Everybody preferes flexible timegate. Everybody. Every single player prefer it becouse its easyer to do content on flexible schelude.
Casual / occasional players left behind
That is totally fine. Why people who play less should be same power level as those who play a lot? Where is logic? What is the point to play a lot if your character same power level as some casual?
M+ content will slowly die or be deserted => some player will eventually stop playing WoW because one huge type of content just disappeared.
Wrong. Those people will aim for raid content. The way, the end game progress is suppose to be in this game.
Anyway time will show, u just can’t forced players to do thats they won’t to do, espicially when they are not hardcore players. Retail =/= classic. More time spend =/= harder.
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The end of dungeon loot chest should never be on par with HC raiding tho, it basically invalidates the raid in that difficulty.
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More concerned about the 1 item for 5 player here.
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I am still not aiming for raid content. My main content is dungeons, so i aim for that. Raiding is just 100% lost time. It (even heroic) was already necisarry for being competitive in M+. But it is like farming full socketed gear by visions, you do what you can for you main content, but it is not enjoyable.
It is 2 if timed if i remember correctly.
Wrong. Those people will aim for raid content. The way, the end game progress is suppose to be in this game >
Wrong, you cant force a player that doesnt like this type of content to do it. That player will eventually stop playing the game
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is that why the BIS trinkets, azerite items and weapons for the vast majority of specs in each season on BFA came from… you guessed it … RAIDS.
Nothing is more mandatory than having to raid when you want to get the most out of your character. Now its even more so with lower ilvl gear from m+.
Yeah, the 10th post about this was really necessary, this will be the one that will change everything.
Still hoping its just for world first mythic clears. Then after they’ll raise the ilvl up to +20 keys, means way more to do over the 6 month major patch cycle. Otherwise it’s raid, 1 key a week, see ya next week lol.
I mean, they could just have made heroic raid ilvl and M+ ilvl the same. It would still have been a nerf, but there would be way less discussion.
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They made it 3 ilvl lower so that raiders can’t farm m+ and then do split runs funneling gear to their mains.
Raiders have a 475 source already. I am not sure why these 3 ilvl for raiders are that important. they already have the best gear. And when they are that serious, they are still going to do it. +3 ilvl or not.
They surely can try, but the chances of actually getting something for their mains are really small when personal loot cannot be traded when it’s an ilvl upgrade.
And why is that different when it has 3 more ilvl? On par with heroic ilvl? We still talk about heroic, right. Heroic.
Not really. I was talking about the world first mythic race.
Ok, i am not sure what discussion we have here then 
But fair enough. (still not seeing any point, but i am not interested in WF, so i am not going to discuss anything about that)
Yeah, the 10th post about this was really necessary, this will be the one that will change everything.
Thank you for your very valuable and detailed feedback
I mean if this reward structure is in place JUST in the 2 week run up to mythic raid then fine, i think most will be ok with that. But to screw over the majority of m+ runners for the degenerate actions of probably 2000 people in the wf race. that’s just the stupidest crap ever.
m+ runners would like the staus quo as it has been for the last 2 expansions. M+ should reward the same ilvl as heroic raids (at the highest reward level) with BIS pieces (weps/trinkets etc) from raid. I dont think ANYONE had an issue with this bar the very few ‘raid log only’ people who put in no time at all bar 2x raid logs a week then complained that m +runners who were doing considerably more and harder content were outgearing them.
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Take best trinket from mythic+ vs best trinket from raid. Do you really think people will join guild and progress houras upon hours in mythic raid just to get few % of upgrade when they can just spam 1 30 minute dungeon? No they wont. At certain point effort getting bis item simply isnt worth compared to second best thing.