Mage Tower Artifact Appearances

[Pilgrimfive-magtheridon]

@Fhulgrim-stormscale

Why would it be so, my comments are entirely coherent and self-explanatory…?

Well that’s because you’re stating my opinion is:

@Fhulgrim-stormscale

they are flawed because you fail to back up your claims and statements with facts, make self-contradictions constantly and ignore any real argument in this discussion made against you.

Which

1. An opinion is an opinion. So it doesn’t require support from any Facts.

But if you want a Fact. Time limited rewards have been in the game since the games conception. It is how the game has been designed.

I can elaborate further but a) I’m not really in the mood, this thread is already over a week long, and b) you’re going to deny it anyway, because it doesn’t fit your narrative. (edit: actually I did elaborate further earlier in the thread, if you go back and have a read).

2. I have not made any contradictions. I am very clear on what I believe on this topic. I have acknowledged other peoples opinions and where they are coming from, but that is not a contradiction. That is just respecting other people. I think more likely you are looking for cracks to help prove me wrong in some way. Even though I have not claimed to be right, I just have an opinion on what I enjoy about WoW.

3. I have had plenty of discussion on this topic and over the week. But you chose to come along late after I had grown tired of discussing the topic.

You’re more than welcome to discuss the topic, but I please just ask that you read my opinions and take them as just my opinion, and respect that I am tired and would like to move on to greener pastures.

I’m not failing to engage in conversation. I have already been part of the conversation, but would like to leave the conversation and move on. That’s not a win for one side, or loss for the other. I haven’t let go of my opinions. It’s just that I have said my part, I have discussed my part with others before you. It’s been a few days now, and I would like to think about other things. Will you respect that please?

@Fhulgrim-stormscale

The game has changed several times through its inception, the game is best when it makes changes for the better of the majority of the player base.

Ofcourse and as I discussed with Tah earlier:

@Pilgrimfive-magtheridon

A good change enhances the experience for everyone. Bad change might enhance the experience for some, but make the experience worse for others.

This change would improve the experience for some, but at the cost of the experience of other players. That’s why it’s not a good change.

@Fhulgrim-stormscale

Which means a significant portion of the players, want this change.

As a generalisation, I think that the forums, reddit and other online dicussion places, tend to attract a certain kind of player, that doesn’t not fairly represent the player base as whole. You only need to look at r/WoW to realise that only a certain people are welcome there.

So whilst it might be a popular topic on the forums. That doesn’t mean that people will be happy with the change as a whole.

@Fhulgrim-stormscale

Oh my God, dude. If you’re not comfortable with people bringing up your statements on a public forum then I don’t think you should type them in the first place?

It’s not stalking by the way, forum info is public lol

I’m not remotely uncomfortable with then quoting me. I stand by those comments.

Whilst I do think it’s unnecessary, as I am able to speak for myself. What I’m actually uncomfortable with is the additional comments that went along with it:

@Dõc-gehennas

hes silly ><

@Dõc-gehennas

a bizzare dude for sure.

@Dõc-gehennas

@Dõc-gehennas

so people can see with whom they are dealing with.

If you think that is acceptable behaviour when discussing someones opinion, then you are just as bad as they are.

@Fhulgrim-stormscale

Stop acting like a child that needs protection,

@Pilgrimfive-magtheridon

Both of you, if you’re not happy with my opinion, don’t attack me, just say you disagree and we can all move on. But I’m not going to let a couple of children make personal attacks on me, because my opinion doesn’t fit their narrative.

Whilst I appreciate you paused your attack and came back with a better thought out response. You were still acting childish yourself earlier on.

I still firmly feel that you previous response to me was purely attacking my opinion because you didn’t agree with it. You said my logic was flawed because it didn’t fit your narrative. You claimed my arguments were based on my feelings… well, guess what… so are yours.

Also you refused to let me leave the conversation when I said I was tired and wanted to move on:

@Pilgrimfive-magtheridon

I’m kind of bored of this old topic. So I’m going to stop responding.

@Pilgrimfive-magtheridon

All I am admitting is that I am tired of a topic that’s gone around in circles for a week.

I also said:

@Pilgrimfive-magtheridon

There are two sides to this subject and neither will ever agree with the other. It’s best just to walk away.

Yet you continued your pursuit to attack me, rather than just letting me move on.

So maybe it’s time to calm down. Respect other peoples opinions. Don’t pick it apart because it doesn’t fit your own narrative. And when someone has said that they would like to move on from a conversation that they have participated in, stop responding to them, respect their opinion as their own, and let them move on.

[Dõc-gehennas]

@Pilgrimfive-magtheridon

So maybe it’s time to calm down. Respect other peoples opinions. Don’t pick it apart because it doesn’t fit your own narrative.

Thank you, i’v been trying to tell you that all along.
I was merely pointing out what you were saying.
Glad you stopped harrasing and bullying me.

[Pilgrimfive-magtheridon]

@Dõc-gehennas

Thank you, i’v been trying to tell you that all along.

I’m pretty sure that was my suggestion. Anyway, I won’t respond to you again unless it’s an apology. Have a good night .

[Dõc-gehennas]

I was merely pointing out what you were saying thats all,good night and thanks for stopping with harassment.

[Fhulgrim-stormscale]

@Pilgrimfive-magtheridon

An opinion is an opinion. So it doesn’t require support from any Facts.

Yes, and to better understand an opinion it needs to be explained, which you have conducted poorly.

Your whole stick is that

@Pilgrimfive-magtheridon

This change would improve the experience for some, but at the cost of the experience of other players. That’s why it’s not a good change.

But that is entirely conjecture, seems way more people with or without the appearances in most of the forums, wouldn’t mind if they came back.

@Pilgrimfive-magtheridon

As a generalisation, I think that the forums, reddit and other online dicussion places, tend to attract a certain kind of player, that doesn’t not fairly represent the player base as whole

Blizzard themselves uses these same forums to a great extent, that is a known fact. You’re saying Blizzard is wrong looking to their own and other forums for opinions from their players?

What other metrics do you believe are better, if not the written feedback of their player base?

@Pilgrimfive-magtheridon

If you think that is acceptable behaviour when discussing someones opinion, then you are just as bad as they are.

I never said I condoned it. There’s this thing on the forums, it’s an ignore button? Stop engaging with people if you don’t like them.

@Pilgrimfive-magtheridon

You were still acting childish yourself earlier on

I am not the one failing to explain my feelings properly on this manner. Your feelings also really doesn’t matter to the rest of the community, it’s not exactly useful to others but you.

@Pilgrimfive-magtheridon

Yet you continued your pursuit to attack me

Still didn’t attack you, you were failing to explain your perspective properly.

@Pilgrimfive-magtheridon

Also you refused to let me leave the conversation

I am not doing anything to you, you are absolutely free to stop responding or put me on ignore, I have merely pointed out what I perceive to be faulty logic and irrational statements.

@Pilgrimfive-magtheridon

stop responding to them, respect their opinion as their own, and let them move on.

You should probably take your own advice bro

[Pilgrimfive-magtheridon]

@Fhulgrim-stormscale

@Pilgrimfive-magtheridon

An opinion is an opinion. So it doesn’t require support from any Facts.

Yes, and to better underst…

Mate…

Rather than just saying “Hey, I don’t agree with you opinion, but you do you”, you have decided to come out with a lengthy reply again. You will always be able to find flaws in an opinion that you don’t agree with.

Look, I have stated multiple times that I am done discussing this topic and would like to move on. Please respect that!

As I have already stated:

@Pilgrimfive-magtheridon

There are two sides to this subject and neither will ever agree with the other.

So please just realise we are on different sides, you’re not going to change my opinion. So let’s just forget that and move on. If you keep making lengthy replies to me, you’re going to get one back from someone who is tired about this topic and doesn’t care anymore.

As I said ages ago. I just came here to make my opinion heard to the OP, and respond to people who respond to me.

All you need to do is say “sorry I don’t agree with you”. That’s all.

[Totemfar-nekrosh]

@Pilgrimfive-magtheridon

But I might suggest that if you disagree with someones opinion, maybe have a discussion with them and try and understand why they feel differently, rather than trying to pick it apart and upset them by technically bullying them.

This one almost made me choke on my water from laughing at the irony

@Pilgrimfive-magtheridon

If you felt forced to do anything that you don’t enjoy then you only have yourself to blame.

^ Basically “picking apart” and undermining the whole FOMO aspect of the game…
And when met with an attempt at a proper constructive perspective:

@Totemfar-nekrosh

whole psychology behind it, which you can also read about if you want to broaden your horizon. There is a reason Blizzard has behavioural psychologists hired.

You decided to double down:

@Pilgrimfive-magtheridon

Those of us with self control shouldn’t have to lose out on something fun because someone else can’t have self control. They didn’t ban alcohol because a few people got addicted. What they did is offer help to those with the addiction.

You see… The funny thing about the above quote right… When I used alcohol and cigarette marketing as an example YOU gave this answer:

@Pilgrimfive-magtheridon

Nicotine and time limited rewards are two completely different things. You’re physically addicted to nicotine and can suffer greatly when going cold turkey, it can make you very ill and can take months or years to recovered (source:gave up smoking 15 years ago). There is no physical addiction to a computer game. Just turn off the computer, go for a walk, call a friend and find a new distraction. A gaming addiction is about changing habits and it only takes a few days to form new habits.

So when you talk about substance addiction, it’s okay… When I compare the two, you neglect it, blame the people that may suffer from addiction xD But sure… You’re the one “sane human” that reflects on other peoples situations, and tries to understand where they come from instead of ridiculing them and saying “Huurr durr they just need to change habit!”

I will point out again… There is a whole study on the subject… If it was “only a few days to form new habits” then we wouldn’t have such a broad problem… And to be more precise… It takes (according to research) about 2 months to form a new habit… But sure, using yourself as a source, it’s only “a few days”

[Pilgrimfive-magtheridon]

I’d like to say, that I felt you were good with your discussion earlier on.

But:

@Totemfar-nekrosh

^ Basically “picking apart” and undermining the whole FOMO aspect of the game…

FOMO is in your head. It’s a you problem.

Substance abuse, and gaming addiction are two completely different levels. There is help for both of them.

Gaming addiction is something you can start though, click the off button if it’s becoming a problem.

But again, people who have self control shouldn’t lose out on something enjoyable because of people who don’t. That is why Alcohol isn’t illegal. The majority of people can enjoy it without repercussions. (although as a non-drinker, I can say that life is much better without it). For those who have a problem we encourage them to get help.

Just like this conversation, it’s hard to hear at first, but once you realise you need help its makes it much easier.

@Totemfar-nekrosh

It takes (according to research) about 2 months to form a new habit…

21 days to correct you.

[Andryu-tarren-mill]

I created the original post as I would hope, probably in vain, that Blizzard might open up the rewards so I, and others like me can do the challenge like everyone else did.

Everyone should have try opportunity.

[Pilgrimfive-magtheridon]

@Andryu-tarren-mill

I, and others like me can do the challenge like everyone else did.

Unfortunately, the challenge will never be the same as it was originally. The game, the specs and player power and everything has moved on too much. They will never get it to feel the same way. that’s the reason why they changed the rewards for the new MT.

[Tah-earthen-ring]

@Pilgrimfive-magtheridon

FOMO is in your head. It’s a you problem.

If that is the stance you’re going to take:
Being unhappy because other players can get things you have, is in your head. It is also a you problem.

[Totemfar-nekrosh]

@Pilgrimfive-magtheridon

FOMO is in your head. It’s a you problem.

Brother… Let me try to be more clear:

@Totemfar-nekrosh

whole psychology behind it, which you can also read about if you want to broaden your horizon. There is a reason Blizzard has behavioural psychologists hired.

I will repeat my earlier point; Alcohol commercials are in a lot of european countries banned on television… Cigarettes are behind curtains at stores in the nordic countries…
There is a reason behind this…

@Pilgrimfive-magtheridon

But again, people who have self control shouldn’t lose out on something enjoyable because of people who don’t.

Thats not the point jesus christ… The problem is a company uses PSYCHOLOGISTS to TARGET those people… You know, the people that STRUGGLE… So dumbing it down to “Oh they should just stop??” is like promoting alcohol etc. to addicts that we DON’T do… That’s my point…

@Pilgrimfive-magtheridon

21 days to correct you.

According to what source? Please share

[Pilgrimfive-magtheridon]

@Totemfar-nekrosh

The problem is a company uses PSYCHOLOGISTS to TARGET those people

Mate, if you feel targeted it’s time to admit you have a problem and turn off the computer.

That’s all you need to do.

Nobody is “out to get you”. That’s the most tinfoil hat idea I have ever heard.

They add these things to make the game more enjoyable, and the promote the game and encourage engagement.

If it’s causing a problem, then that person should get help.

[Pilgrimfive-magtheridon]

@Totemfar-nekrosh

According to what source? Please share

Google. anything from 18-265 days.

But in general consensus, people always say it takes 3 weeks (21 days) to make a new habit.

But I noticed you ask for my source, but didn’t share one yourself.

[Andryu-tarren-mill]

I know it will never be exactly the same, and you can take pride in that achievement, but to deny someone old content is not fair.

Alas, it will probably be the case for Legion Remix. Imagine how many people will be annoyed at that. Oh, wait, people are quite excited for it.

Let’s enjoy the game we all clearly love.

[Totemfar-nekrosh]

@Pilgrimfive-magtheridon

if you feel targeted

Brother… Are you serious now?

How is it “feel targetted” when:

@Totemfar-nekrosh

There is a reason Blizzard has behavioural psychologists hired.

@Pilgrimfive-magtheridon

Nobody is “out to get you”. That’s the most tinfoil hat idea I have ever heard.

See this is where you lose on the “Sane person” idea…

“This allows them to predict community reactions and manipulate players through game design”

https:// us.forums.blizzard. com/en/d4/t/this-guy-is-110-right/92821

@Pilgrimfive-magtheridon

Google. anything from 18-265 days.

But in general consensus, people always say it takes 3 weeks (21 days) to make a new habit.

But I noticed you ask for my source, but didn’t share one yourself.

Yep, read the study… Because they DEBUNK your whole 21 days.,.

Let me quote:

"In other words, if you want to set your expectations appropriately, the truth is that
it will probably take you anywhere from two months to eight months to build a
new behavior into your life — not 21 days"

Source: James Clear

The same guy you took the “18-265 days” from. READ THE ARTICLE INSTEAD OF THE FIRST FEW WORDS

And btw… “Google” as a source… LOL

[Pilgrimfive-magtheridon]

@Andryu-tarren-mill

but to deny someone old content is not fair.

I think Blizzard work very hard to create enough content each expansion keep the player base occupied. There seems very little reason to be going back and doing old content anyway.

But a the amount of content that has been removed is minuscule compared to what is still available. It always seems to be the trophies for completing challenges that people want to have.

[Pilgrimfive-magtheridon]

@Totemfar-nekrosh

Brother… Are you serious now?

How is it “feel targetted” when:

@Totemfar-nekrosh

There is a reason Blizzard has behavioural psychologists hired.

@Totemfar-nekrosh

The problem is a company uses PSYCHOLOGISTS to TARGET those people

Don’t mis-quote yourself.

Again, if you feel targeted. Then you know what to do.

I appreciate Blizzard and other companies hire professionals to help with improving entertainment and engagement. But you’re wearing your tin-foil hat a little too proudly I think.

[Totemfar-nekrosh]

@Pilgrimfive-magtheridon

Don’t mis-quote yourself.

Again, if you feel targeted. Then you know what to do.

I appreciate Blizzard and other companies hire professionals to help with improving entertainment and engagement. But you’re wearing your tin-foil hat a little too proudly I think.

@Pilgrimfive-magtheridon

But I might suggest that if you disagree with someones opinion, maybe have a discussion with them and try and understand why they feel differently, rather than trying to pick it apart and upset them by technically bullying them.

Well done

Now you’re off to name call me? Oooooh the irony

Oh and nice you skipped the whole “habit” part… Easy to do when you’re “general consensus” is from the 1950’s and debunked

Ah well… Now I’ll bounce! Now people can see who they are dealing with
Someone that will play the victim and someone who want’s a proper discussion, when in reality all you do is stick your fingers in your ear, name call and wave off any article and science paper thrown at you

[Pilgrimfive-magtheridon]

@Totemfar-nekrosh

Well done

Now you’re off to name call me? Oooooh the irony

Oh and nice you skipped the whole “habit” part… Easy to do when you’re “general consensus” is from the 1950’s and debunked

I’m not name calling you.

I’m suggesting that saying Blizzard are hiring psychologists to target you, is a tinfoil hat theory.

If you take offence to that, I apologies, because non is intended.