u forgot cheatdeath and alter time
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Sorry, I must have imagined the part that I can see in front of my eyes that Iâve just quoted.
Tell me Iâm not hallucinating?
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Taking out of context. Just gave an example on my post 10 or so in this topic, I still have my own reasoning, despite him being good. You are just projecting
You and everyone else also uses other players/sources in their reasoning, they listen to them all the time, and site them too, doesnât mean you canât think for yourself.
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WTF are you even talking about, mages are S-Tier (Or atleast A-Tier) allmost every Season in M+ since BFA.
They also rarely are not atleast A-Tier in PvP.
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i play since 2006. and back in time the mage it was terrible.
That is what people have said about rogues for multiple expansions. And when DK was doing well somehow all the grips and stuns and defensive and a battle ress they ended up being âOPâ.
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Truth be told warlocks also have both. The difference is that mages can dispel both friendlies and enemies with two different abilities. Mages are hampered by Spell Steal not being usable as one in niche cases as using it will kill you (small add pack with the shield in Kingâs Rest for example).
Warlocks can interrupt and offensive dispel as well with Felhunter. Also unlike mages they do not have to sacrifice a GCD to do either.
I am not sure why you are not counting Solar Beam as an interrupt for Balance though. It is on a one minute cooldown, but outside of specific boss/miniboss casts it hard silences everything in its area of effect for 6 or 8 seconds.
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Mage was bad 17 years ago.
Top argument.
jesus⌠woke up in bad mood?
Anyway. ill explain myself with few simple words: in the 13 years i mained a FIRE mage it was very often not in the top tier list.
The utilities OP put in the post were there since the beginning (the majority).
But i prefer to let this thread to the min\maxers.
Except warlock. Also, Demo Warlocks are really strong atm in m+.
Thing is that Blizz is completely failing at balancing. Some specs are just straight up 20% better than others. Thatâs insane. This means if you run meta comps you will do 20% more damage than if you run a comp full of off-meta. Itâs ridiculous.
Edit: Ele shaman was so low that I didnât see the pixel. Itâs not 0. Still itâs so insanely bad balancing to have 163 ele shamans vs 6000 havoc DH in keys above 25. Blizz does not balance this game properly, and you therefore in my opinion shouldnât really take it seriously, but do what you want.
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is raiderio wrong?
https://raider.io/mythic-plus-spec-rankings/season-df-3/world/shaman/elemental
It goes up to timing +28.
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Did a quick research.
Raid:
Classic Mage- A Tier (second half)
TBC Mage- A-Tier
WOTLK- A-S Tier
Cata- S-Tier (in firelands)
In PvP there was allmost no season where mage was not A-S tier since Classic
How exactly is that terrible?
But since this thread is about M+ it doesnt matter anyway. In which mage is S-Tier for most of the time or atleast A tier.
Mages were more a Have-To-Pick than most other classes.
Its prettys annoying to have the same class allways dominating
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[Mythic+ Rankings (DF Season 3) (raider.io)](https://raider.io/mythic-plus-rankings/season-df-3/all/world/leaderboards#role=all:mode=unique:minMythicLevel=25:maxMythicLevel=99)
what the hell I checked here
That is just wrong played from 2005.
There is your problem you are comparing Fire not how the class is.
Mage as a class if you are willing to change spec has been top to almost top from the start of wow
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That link gives an raiderio error, but also a result with 163 elemental shamans in the stats. I know, there is like no pixel, but you can still mouseover it 
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Just FYI that has been the case for YEARS this was the case in Shadowlands it was the case in BFA it was the case in Legion it was the case in WoD earlier then that it becomes worse then that.
20% difference is actually good balance in this game.
Ok I see. Itâs still ridiculous difference though to have 163 ele shamans vs 6000 havoc DH. Thatâs insane.
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In the end that is just representation where the top players are usually going for the 0.1% spec that is better. Elemental also has the competition of enhanc, so shamans do not even âhave toâ reroll to another char if they want to play at the top. Allthough i suppose shaman has the survivability problem anyway.
800 enhance vs 4000 augmentation evokers and 6000 havoc dh. If we look at the trend of season 2 it will also likely get worse as the meta solidifies.
Solar beam is on one minute CD, and warlocks donât have both.
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