Mage vs every other caster in M+

https://raider.io/mythic-plus-rankings/season-df-3/all/world/leaderboards#role=melee-dps:mode=unique:minMythicLevel=25:maxMythicLevel=99

My honest reaction to this information:

https://tenor.com/de/view/the-war-within-thrall-anduin-gif-5836504667518449602

I’m so done with this game.

The Felhunter has both, but you can only dispel buffs from enemies. If I remember right its name is Singe Magic.

The only time you cannot if you use Grimoire and sacrifice your pet, but then you also sacrifice convenience of not having to interrupt some of your casts with your own interrupt.

Felhunter has interrupt and enemy dispel, imp has friendly dispel.

Do warlocks have a party buff? Do warlocks have dispell and interrupt at same time? If warlocks had buff/group BL and personal one and all three specs would be above BM hunter yeah I would not make this post. There are also other casters in the game too, you know.

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I am not disagreeing. But i also do not really know how much the difference is in performance (percentage-wise). I expect the problem is more in survivability than on throughput. But on the other hand, when i would play on +28’s i would probably just reroll to the meta too. When you go that high keylevels it is a wild wild west where top players have found the comp that is complementing each other the most. I do not really care too much about representation statistics over there.

It will probably get worse but its really really important to remember that its not a reflection of the spec or what it can or cannot do, its a reflection of the playerbase that switches to “the best”.

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Affix is a friendly target

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Not disagreeing fully, but if you’re a pug player everyone will try to get these specs in their group at high keys to maximise chances of success. People will even do that on key levels, where it doesn’t matter.

It’s also sad tbh how many people reroll and play meta. We went from almost every tank being guardian druid in season 2, to 400 guardian druid players vs 4k vengeance DH players. This is so trash. I sometimes wish they just remove all alt friendliness and make it extremely hard to reroll.

Yes, so it requires an imp. It is a trade-off.

But then at this point you are merely boxing in utilities to specific situations where they aren’t useful and just say that they are trash because they cannot counter it.

Mages to m+ are similar to warlocks to raiding. They are really good at that specific environment, just like warlock utilities are stupid strong in a raiding environment.

I do not think Blizzard will do much about it, simply because how much warlocks are required in raids, which is the primary focus of most balance changes.

Mage will always be meta because of their utility and damage output. Mage deals with affixes, bl, intellect buff. Much better than warlock, or valance druid (and you can get vers buff from tank or heal druid too).

Mage doesn’t need to sacrifice their interrupt for dispell, no trade-off needed.

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Couldn’t help but think of all the classic rotation memes

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What?

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Hey there, Falsejaina. Nice to see you’ve picked a new class to hate this week.
Giving hunters a break, eh?

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Ppl like you is why i avoided this kind of thread.

Totally my fault.

Interesting how you avoid this kind of thread when the same thing you did do is happening.
You are selectively choosing to make claims but you do not want to have the consequence of having to talk about those claims.

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Hate? I always had this opinion on mages, go read every post of me before commenting something like this :slight_smile:

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Asking for more cool stuff for warlocks in one thing… But making a hostage situastion out of this screams salt and jealousy you have for mages :stuck_out_tongue: ‘‘Make me just as cool as them! Or make them suck too!!’’

You are talking about the number 1 and number 3 best classes to be in raiding your highest chance to do good damage in raiding is either a mage or a warlock based on statistics over time.
Both are in the 95% or higher category of being good in raids so m+ utilityactually matter when you compare them.

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Not asking cool stuff for warlocks but for all casters, so playing them won’t feel dumb and like you play a useless spec. I like basically all casters, but it feels very unfair, the utility inbalance and the damage as well.

If you will look at topic more abstract, you would understand. Now you look at it as warlock screaming they are not as good as mages, that’s on you, my friend.

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I am hanging onto your point of ‘‘Either give us more utility or nerf mages’’ Yes…

If the game doesn’t get better for me. Make it suck for everyone else too…

I’m asking for balancing the specs utility and damage. Sp both utility and damage was nerfed, yet no one cares of mages.

How it’s for “me”? I’m talking about all casters, smh. (“Mage vs all casters = all players vs you” logic). Same applied I’m sure to melee dps, look at warrior vs paladin, etc…

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