So i have been playing mage for 20 years…Mage is the worst class ingame for pvp now ,every class have interupt stuns ect…its so hard to play in arena compared to any other class because all the time getting interupted stunned by 3 ppl all the time targeted becausse all know that mage have only one iceblock and takes the most dmg of any other class once the iceblock finishes its gg btw maybe its only defensive in which u can do nothing compared to any other class maybe the hunter its the same position with the turtle ,what i mean its lets say dk paladin roque dh monks druids there atacks cant be innterupted while they can interput casters at every 12 -15 sec and stuns dashesh horses , …its so fckin easy to play mele easy 3 k rating just faceroll your keyboard rank 1 in the other hand mages need insane skills iq atleast 169, when i play on my alts meles i dont even need to think when i see caster i know its free win … try to balance casters and meles if mele can stop my cast i must able to stop his atacks for 5 sec every 15 sec like they can its not fair and not balanced …Remove the kicks in arena or add disarms to casters …
100% agree blizzard don’t care about mage just about keep people happy but people keep hating mage even when it’s crap, i´m sure they don´t even try to play mage once in arena… Now the 3 specs suck. Arcane is unplayable with 2 mage school, most of the time you spend unable to do anything, and it’s the only class in the game that needs to cast its burst, and you can’t even play against DK, DH, hunter, rogue, feral, and ret paladin. mage is the only class that has fallen behind, receiving severe nerfs over and over again, especially frost, not even with 5% more damage and 40% from glacial spike can do 1/3 of the DPS of any other class, it’s totally crap, and fire still feels weak with one block since Alter Time and barriers were heavily nerfed and feel useless. It makes no sense that melees have better armor, higher health, the same or better mobility than casters, higher DPS, crazy ranged hits, instant ranged CC and interrupts and they no need cast or get disarms. The only real melee now is warrior and now even warriors can counter mage, grip you to the floor and hit you like piñata, break your block like priest… as a mage cast anything in arena is almost imposible with infinite cc and interrupts with no cd even with precog and blinks on top of that almost every mele is inmune to mage slows and cc now you can´t use poly on druids and shamans on their animal form very anoying when they´re healers and mage is the only class it don´t have instant rang cc and can oneshot during cc because all mage cc break with damage and polimorph even heal… rip mage in pvp is time to play other games
Just came back to pvp geared up to 718 item level and i can only agree with you.
https://imgur.com/a/t6WJllc
Here you can see that Blizzard is trying to sabotage this class. While Fire Mage used to benefit from item level, it’s now clear that Blizzard is no longer allowing that and has significantly ruined its DPS, considering its stats! Blizzard should realize that we pay for game time and they should start doing something about it!
Not only mages, but all classes need a rework. Back in the day, mages had just one Blink and could cast freely. Now we have four Blinks, yet we can’t even cast properly - it’s dumb.
Every class should lose some mobility, short CCs should be toned down, and instant casts should serve as filler spells rather than the core of the main rotation.
Without it, even a +50% stamina boost from the trinket set won’t be enough to balance the game.
I’ve played wow for 21 years and I can say mage is still one of the best classes if played right. Mobility is insane, survival is insane but its tricky and requires to be more proactive, you have a good amount of CC tools as frost to shut someone down completely, a ridiculous amount of instacasts. Tunneling casts of FFbs for 3mil+ also feels good.
Mage is fine and its the class least requiring a rework. Fire I would agree with, as being so centered around combust feels bad, but everything else is fine. Frost feels the most fun its been since wotlk.
I have no issues 1v1 against any class. I 1v4d 2 dh, a ret and a rogue. Arena is a different matter, and its less about mage being bad, but possibly something else being overtuned as a whole. Its hard to kite multiple melee that coordinate each other and support each other. Your own mates should be there to peel you as much as you should peel them.
Playing a caster has always been more difficult since you can’t just hold W, and thats fine, as the potential you can reach is higher. If you think mages have it bad, which are objectively the most mobile caster and are the best at dealing with melee, go play a warlock and see how they feel about the melee zugtrain
You’ve been playing for 21 years and you can’t see how bad mage is rn? was so much better in df, now all the specs was super nerfed, especially frost. You just have to take a look at meta the numbers are there. You must be a mage hater who just wants to keep having fun beating mages. What’s your main, hunter or ret? Nowadays every class delete mage in 0.2 seconds,lock is more tanky and still have good mobility and mage can´t beat hunters, dks, rogue… on a duel and less pala ret with 6 bubbles and self healing, all mage defensives are dispellable and was so nerfed, and frost damage is crap.
Skill issue mate. No I did not play DF. It looked like cringe, the story was cringe.
I love my class. And the way it plays now is great. Ive mained mage longer than you’ve been alive.
Im not having any issues 1v1ing anyone or anything, hell I can 1vX still.
Frost bad dmg? I can FFb for almost 5mil(that also cleave to 3 targets) and glacial for 7mils, im topping scoreboards at all times. And im not even fully gemmed. I make hunters ragequit as their stupid overtuned dmg gets countered by ice cold with IB heal and I blink into their face with a snowdrift as they panic to gtfo from the incoming pain of hurt that ill unleash on their empty skulls with a glacial comet meteor insta FFB combo
Your skill issue is not my own mate. If mage was so bad it wouldn’t be performing well in most rated scenarios, and it is. Its just not a steamroll brainless class for nooblets.
hahaa did you play solo shuffle once this season? or check the meta yet? oh you never play shuffle where everyone have the same conditions and you just have 50 games in 2v and don´t even have 1700 wtf you talking ? you have been playing 21 years and flexing about skill, my honor lever is higher than yours when i start playing in df you´re a joke you can´t beat a full equip hunter or ret with mage no matter how much you like flex, your main is hunter for sure i still don´t see more then 5 million glacial spike crit hit maybe with full maestry but good luck to cast it
Complete brainlet speak once again. Yea look at these stats pleblord. Also look at my 80% random bg winrate, totally means a lot. I know the shuffle meta very well, but for your disappointment my other chars are neither a hunter nor a ret.
The 2s are from helping my fiance thats totally new to wow as double dps, so its almost 1v2. But I dont need to explain myself to you. At least im not hiding like scared kid behind a lvl 10, mister Alienboy.
Only thing you can do is assume, like you assume mage is bad. No wonder your skill issues are so great with that mentality. Go reroll hunter or ret because obviously you can’t play mage. Bring a friend too so I can 1v2 you and show you how bad mage really is. Feel free to write ingame and ill spank you outside Dornogal. Then we can laugh how some 1.6k rated mage beat you, apparently with such a bad class that “can’t 1v1”
well call me when you get gladiator with frost in ss where everyone have the same condition you yapping a lot but have 0 exp on shuffle the joke tells itself
The joke is an entitled kid like you thinks mage is bad. L2p kiddo. Come duel me and show me how you know mage better. But you wont. You’re so scared you hide behind a lvl 10 on a forum. Once you show your main ill show you my glad alt mage
I have nothing to prove to a random in a forum who thinks can beat a hunter or ret paladin in the current state of frost when they are below in all brackets and numbers don’t lie…
You already prove you are trash claiming you cant beat a hunter or ret. Nice job kiddo. Frostmage can literally 1v1 every class in the game. The fact that -You- cant is your own skill issue, don’t project that on others.
Stay bad, keep whining and hide like the scared little pleb you are.
Im not really sure whats your point mate. Mage gameplay (at least for arcane) in DF and TWW felt amazing to play. High tempo run and gun. Always at least A tier in PvP. Surely its one of the most difficult specs to master but its really rewarding once you get the hung of it.
Try more and enjoy the game.
You dont know what i mean beacause you probably dont play in high rate in arena ,let me give u example u have to cast arcane surge the cast time its 2 sec u are vs 3 highly skilled players do u think dk hunter or any class and any healer will let u cast that or even if u did after that u are 10 sec out of the game because u getting stuns interupts pillars and your bust goes to the trash waiting 1.5 min for another opurtunity … if u are not dead by then . The retry pala instant burst wake of ash every 30 sec …instant casters he is not mele he can hit me from dornogal …hunter no cast time instant range spells instant burst …can hit u behind the pillars …if its beastmasster afk in arena till his pets finish the job …should i continue with all classes that they dont have cast time for there burst ?? same with glacial spike 2 sec cast TIME ???why the mage its the only class still with 2 sec cast time .Btw one blink 13 sec cd …dh ulimited dashesh dk 100 % slow 2 grips roque 2 shadowsteps 70 % slow 10 stuns 20 interupts …bro i am above 2400 rate every season , i understand the game i know when something its not balanced when one class sucks ant all others get it easy, i know mage its harder to play in 1v1 its fine ok i can beat all classes in solo shuffle 3v3 its another storry … AND I SEE IN THE MIDNIGHT EXPANSION THEY FINALLY ADDED 2 BLINK TNX GOD AND LOWERED THE CAST TIME OF GLACIAL SPIKE ,ATLEAST BLIZZARD KNEW WHAT I AM TALKING ABOUT AND BRING BACK WATTER ELEMENTAL …
All you nooblets crying about a rework, good job. You just killed frostmage forever in Midnight
Are you serious? Mages never asked for two Blinks, Displacement, Alter Time, Blast Wave, etc. All these spells were introduced to “fix” the excessive mobility of melee classes. Everyone was asking to reduce that mobility instead — one Blink or Charge instead of two, slower gap closers, longer cooldowns on movement abilities, fewer passive speed boosts, shorter uptime on abilities like Heroic Leap or Fel Rush, and fewer ways to stick to targets, etc.
You are right, instant casts are killing WoW. They increase burst damage, can’t be interrupted, and make PvP balance harder and worse. They also make PvE encounters more difficult, since players don’t lose DPS while moving forcing Blizzard to compensate with harder and more complicated mechanics.
Reworking Frost Mage by increasing the number of instant-cast spells instead of reducing them for other classes is the wrong direction.
The only good thing Blizzard has done was reducing the CC required for DR immunity down to two. This change will result in fewer short CCs and interrupts.
It’s true that ‘mele’ shouldn’t have more mobility than a caster or deal more damage by casting instant-range spells, but for me mage would be so boring without blast wave, displacement, sifting power and 2 blinks. Just standing there casting spells while being pelted with instant-range ccs, interrupts, and grips, hunters should be interruptible imagine a mage casting Glacial Spike for 10 million without being able to be interrupted, and Ice Lance for 8 million that’s what a hunter is like currently. Likewise, ret paladin shouldn’t be able to hit inside the bubble imagine mage hitting inside the block having 6 blocks plate armor and self healing… but this game is main pve i think devs never try to play pvp once
I have no idea what you’re talking about.
Mage will always be on of the best casters ( currently rank 1 class in arena )
Also, most classes and pvp in general will play completely different in next expansion.
Including mages gets a rework in Midnight