One of the biggest issues in the game is that it takes too long to form groups for M+. And it basically boils down to a lack of tanks.
A lot of people feel it’s an intimidating role, so maybe make lower keys less punishing for new tanks. Increase the % mobs provide in lower keys to make tanks less dependent on routes in the beginning. This way they can focus on learning the role and boss mechanics.
And then they go into higher keys and go “??? why not enough percentage??? wtf blizzard?”??“?”
At that point I hope players will put in more effort learning routes etc. But in the beginning they should just focus on the role.
They won’t.
Some will. And the others will just have to stay in low keys if they refuse to learn.
But we need to do something about the lack of tanks.
Tank, why aren’t you doing skips X, Y and Z? It’s so easy to get full count at this level lol.
Routing is more than getting full count. It’s about lining up cooldowns (especially BL) with important pulls and avoiding inefficient ones. You can get 100% just going from boss to boss killing what’s in the way in half the current dungeons.
And yeah, it would be confusing.
Fair.
I just think there’s too much new tanks have to learn in M+ compared to dps specs.
Do you have any ideas?
Not really.
DPS needs to have an idea about routes too or they’re gonna screw their CD usage up.
But there’s more responsibility on the tank. A dps using their CDs sub-optimally is not going to deplete a +6 key.
So istn a tank u can literaly time all 10s now just by pressing W routes …
Fair.
But can we agree that the game needs more tank players in general?
I just hear to main reasons for not tanking:
It’s not fun
Too much responsibility.
I don’t know the perfect answer. What would you do?
DPS has tons of responsibilities too in terms of using defensive CDs and mechanics, they just mostly ignore them in lower keys and blame the others.
There would be more tanks and healers if DPS players would put more effort into the game.
100% agree.
But I don’t think that’s a realistic goal.
And it’s not something Blizzard can control.
But they should make more “proving ground” style content for dps players to learn their classes.
This has nothing to do with routing realy .
Cant do more about it, im already maining tank .
How about you? Playing dps and trying to find nonsene “fixes” so OTHERS do play tank?
Let’s not approach this problem from the perspective that we are obligated to play tanks to balance it out. OP is trying to think of ways to make tanking more attractive, which would solve things without people feeling they need to take one for the team.
I’m playing Warrior, Paladin and DH this expac specifically so I have tank specs available. Right now I mainly tank. I also do a few keys as dps but most of them I tank.
I’m just asking if you have any ideas to make more players tank. If you don’t then that’s all good. It wasn’t a dig at you.
I just hear people mention routing as an issue for them when they talk about tanks having too much responsibility. Maybe it’s just a perceived issue but it stop some players from trying tanking.
Rn routing isnt issue at all . It was back in days, nowdays u need to pull everything anyway.
I remember back then when we had that stupid pride affix, where u had to hace 20-40-60 etc % before each boss or big pull, that was for sure a routing issue .
What they should do, is make dungeon especialy trash a less mess . Holding W and going forward isnt issue. Knowing which mobs are dsngerous who do what and how to countrr is , that is. U cant pull 2 packs of caster mobs most of the time especialy with ranged group, but then there are pulls where u can pull those mobs in 3-4 packs and its okej, and thats what new tanks have to try and do, they either fail or it works .
This brings 2 issues. If they dont do anything and tanks will simply try and find out people will be even more toxic ( altough i dont see many toxic groups , or not as much as those forums make they seem, even if we dont time) .
Second issue is , if they do change trash and made it significantly easy on tank ( and their knowledge) then more experienced tanks will be able to pull half a dungeon …
And then on top of that there are people themselves, they cry there are no tanks , but when tanks are in good spot then they cry they do too much dmg , or they dont need healer etc etc .
And then we have raids, where u need 1-2 tanks for 20, or even 30 man raid, u ecer tried to get into a semi serious guild as tank? Impossible realy , so its better to just sticking as dps.
So yea, not realy much that can be done , without it backfiring .
What realy should help, is , adding some extra reward at end of dungeon , but not loot, that wont fix anything .
Be it gold , like 3-5k , those augment runes, satchel with mats or whatever. Even random cosmetics will do , maybe some kind of coins or whatnot where u can buy some extra cosmetic after X runs .
But even that would lure just a few it wont make much difference, imho
Thanks for the answer. Appreciate it.
I completely agree that it’s ridiculous people complain when tanks are “OP” because they are shooting themselves in the foot.
I also agree that gold, runes etc. could be a good incentive that’s easy for Blizzard to implement. They already have in dungeon finder. But as you say it probably wont fix the issue in general. Maybe at the lower end of keys it would work, but it probably wouldn’t make more players push higher keys as tank.
There’s not a lack of tanks in m+. There is a lack of tanks in PUG m+
And that is because of the community and great disdain for tank/healer players who are seen as nothing more but a tool to use
Also, if I also want to raid as a tank my chances for a spot get reduced by a lot because there are only 2 tank spots per raid.
PoV Main tank
I agree to a extent to what you are saying however, to be able to get my mythic rating, i personally had to learn my class, routes and what i could handle. To be able to progress people need to do more than just count %, people need to learn their class just like i did, im still not brilliant but its a process that all need to adapt to.