Mak’gora in lore is a Orc warrior thing . Where the persistence challenge each other to a Duel To The Death. In fact, in WoW orkish it means that.
Rules:
No magic. You can have an enchanted, imbued , or even made of something magical weapon, but you can’t cast any magic.
Anyone outside of the duel isn’t allowed to participate or intervene.
The winner can spare their opponent.
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The native inhabitants of the Azeroth, such as the Nightelves also had their own type of “Mak’gora”, but nowadays it is practiced and passed through tradition among the Shal’dorei.
It is called Tal’ashar which is literally an honor duel to death.
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Magic can be used. We all know Thrall did, but in the Bloodsworn comic, but a paladin and another shaman used their magic to fight eachother.
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That is why it was considered dishonorable for thrall to do.
Are you talking Mak’gora?
There is nothing that forbids magic in Mak’gora that has ever been stated.
The participants can decide on if magic is allowed or not. In the comics, Belf and Shaman fights using both armor and magic.
The fight between Garrosh and Cairne there was no magic nor armor.
The only real rule we know of is that you’re not allowed to pick up your weapon (or your opponents) if you/they have dropped it.
Their not forbidden if the opponents choose to allow it, but for most duel it is the rule.
After all, you can spare you opponent. The rules of Mak’gora are ritualistic, but not binding.
Thrall lived in shame for 4 expansions for using magic in the fight against Garrosh.
In the movie , the use of magic was considered dishonorable.
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Gul’dan gets trashtalked by his fellow orcs for doing that in the Warcraft movie, too.
And guess who was involved in both instances?
Chris Metzen , lead writer and lore master for the warcraft serious from the beginning for many years.
The only reason why the rules of Mak’gora became bendable was because some of the other Mak’goras’ in the story were written by writer that didn’t know the lore.
And Thrall didnt.
Thrall lived in shame for being filled with self-doubt after killing him. Not because he used magic in a duel where magic isnt forbidden.
Sure - but the movie is irrelevant, because its not canon to the game.
The rules are set by the participants.
And the movie isn’t canon, so irrelevant.
You know the stuff they write have to be greenlit by Blizzard themselves before being published, right?
If they disagreed with how the magic was used in Mak’gora in the comics, they wouldnt have allowed it to be there on release.
1 so?
2 in many dialogues he talks about he feels shame for using the elements to win the fight. That is why he doesn’t use magic right now.
3 Chris Metzen was lore master on the movie.
4 from the wiki
The ritualistic duel has been often used to obtain a position of leadership, such as a fight for the position of group leader,chieftain, or Warchiefof the Horde, but not necessarily. Mak’gora is practiced by clans as well.
5 Chris Metzen and Christie Golden were lore masters.
This isn’t the situation were the writers can’t decide if the dragons are addited to magic or protecting the land from the Void, but the books saying one thing and lore masters trying to fit it in, while sticking to their own canon.
And the lore in the movie is not canon in the game.
They’re their own universes. Gul’dan didnt kill Durotan in a Mak’gora within game (canon) lore.
So why point it out?
Thrall could’ve spared Garrosh, but he did not.
Because he believes he was abusing the elements for vengeance - not because he used magic as a whole.
No.
They’re told a basic premiss, that is it - they will ask things to be changed if that’s what they want. The guy who wrote the ‘‘Illidan’’ book added a character named after his in-game character, and Blizzard told him to remove it (which he did).
All books are canon to the in-game lore. Some things may be retconned over time, but beyond that, they’re canon. The movie is not canon - some aspects of the movie have been made canon to in-game lore - like Blackhands appearance in that movie is now how he looked like in canon lore (beard, black hand tattoo, the armor), but the story parts are - again, not canon.
Metzen appearing in the movie is irrelevant - because Blizzard themselves have said that the movie is its own ‘‘Lore Universe’’ not tied to the game.
1 what i meant what does it matter if he did or not spare ?
2 if Chris Metzen sticks to the hole mak’gora rule that magic is dishonorable. It is that. Even if the work isn’t canon. It is called universe rules recognition.
3 he doesn’t only say that. I not looing through 4 expansions for few dialogue scenes.
4 Chris Metzen did create the warcraft universe.
It’s his creation. Hell, the lore of starcraft and diable was started by him even though both games weren’t his bain children. Even overwatch is part of his writing history as one of the first writers.
This isn’t a story that started with one group of writers writing a story about humans fighting the consequences of a massive war between guilds , and now, a entirely different group of different writer is writing a story about the reapers from mass effect eating magic because their addicted to it , but then retconing because no one care to them protecting the world from the Void.
And then forgetting the story about the mass effect reapers even existing to change it to some handsome and scholarly lore master that has the cool name ratagain’s rants about the lore.
But what if someone wants to toss it to their foe like in Puss in Boots 2?
Pick it up!
Pick!
It!
UP!
You break the one known rule and get exiled for dishonor.
Gladly I am no Orc. Can’t be exiled from a culture I don’t belong to.
The orcs can go genocide though - worked pretty well the last time.
I doubt they would start a war over a single incident. And besides, how often is a Mak’gora held with non-horde species?
I don’t think Mak’gora happen very often in general.
Where does he stick with it?
He didn’t write the movie - and the movie isn’t canon to game lore.
No, that’s how you want it to work - but Blizzard has said that the lore in the movies are NOT canon within the game. So the rules and laws used in the movie doesnt apply to the game, as Blizzard has confirmed.
Yes.
Actually - he didnt.
He joined Blizzard after Warcraft 1.
No it isnt.
So?
The movie lore has nothing to do with the game lore. He didnt write the Warcraft movie. The movie lore is a standalone and not relevant to the game.