Sorry Wat, going out anyway and Just mute the thread at this point.
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Mute it, and put the people that really frustrate you on ignore and save yourself alot of headaches!
After you have been actively posting in it for last 20 hours?
Donât you feel invested by now?
Cannot quit just yet.
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You mean like how you mald in several threads for hours on end?
Again what gives you that impression Tehuwo? 
Neither is this thread about me nor I feel endangered by the plague of âOOCersâ
So I have no reason to mald
the fact you are cope, the guy
Hummmmmmmmm I am coping with what exactly?
Eventual fate of AD?
Nope
- Giggles in RP *
The eventual fate of Fruit Basket
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Two fates are tied.
Eventual fate? They already failed lol.
I actually feel kinda sorry for big streamers. They wouldnât ever be able to get into RP because their army of viewers would follow them all over the place if they attempted to.
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Some streamers put in a delay. It works fine.
They can easily pay for a separate account and choose not to stream, but only if they genuinely want to RP. If a streamer like Asmongold wanted to showcase real RP for their stream then yes, it would be an unmitigated disaster for everyone involved. It was bad enough his followers spamming twitch memery like âmonkasâ and âkappaâ in trade, let alone if they were rp walking around the cities trying it.
I think that the others are wrong to ridicule and out you for pointing out a perfectly (if not exceptionally so) valid source as a basis of your argument as to why do you dismiss someoneâs views- Which I think is completely fair, especially since you reacted to a post that undermined your own standing by pointing out that the said philosopher isnât even that highly regarded.
Either way, thatâs not the point Iâm addressing you. I just genuinely wonder that what do you get from all of this? What do you gain from just being contrary to others opinions and standing out as another voice?
Iâm not saying you need to agree with us, me or even majority of people- I just find it really weird that youâd defend and/or suggest really absurd ways to deal with the OOC problem when you (surely) know, after having seen the evidence very plainly yourself, that the ways you support/argue for simply donât work. I mean, I seem to remember you even in the past pointing out the problems with OOCers, back in the old forums?
I just feel like you post on threads like these out of spite, which is all fair because you clearly despise Perroy & co but I think it grows venomous on you in the end. All the negativity you get and spite that you are filled with really shows in your responses (and in responses to you in return). You probably think that you gain something from outlasting others- I should know, Iâve done that myself, but the truth is that you just do it out of spite- Which isnât beneficial for you in the long run.
Yeah, Iâve never been wrong in a single long forum debate ever, but that hasnât made me happier nor does it probably make you happy either. You try being right with your best friend or partner enough times and youâll not have any in the end. Itâs also a massive waste of time each time it happens. I think back at all the times I had a retarded argument with you about ice block being usable IC over the forums and all that time I could have used to study.
Just as I try to move away from just taking the piss out of people just for the sake of it, I think you should too. Vixi and I for example have had several disagreements in the past but unlike with you, Iâve been able to end those disagreements in a couple of posts without dragging it into an attempt of pointing somebodyâs wrong. If after that point your opponent still resorts to personal attacks or disagrees with you itâs probably just best to not bother- You donât need to prove anything to anybody here.
You can be a reasonable guy my man, pride isnât worth it trust me. Even if you end up thinking as I do and not valuing anybody over the internet, itâs still a waste of your time and we (+ probably you) know that you donât enjoy this.
This is my first(?) and last post in this thread, just wanted to get this out @ you.
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Lots of assumptions here about what someones emotional state is and the confusion over why someone feels the need to express themselves. (lol)
@Athramus does a Peter Griffin in your face entirely ignoring Boushâs post lol
A day well spent btw 
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Iâll try to be as honest as I can be. I know people wonât take me seriously. Letâs see.
What was I thinking while doing this whole back-and-forth? It sounds a bit weird, but my idea was: how far can I trust these people when I give them evidence for my points? Letâs test what their reaction will be.
As you (and others) have said, I often discuss with many people. And on average, people do not sympathize with my perspective. So how should I approach such a situation? Does the fact that so many people disagree with me means that I am more likely to be wrong? Well, itâs possible. So I should wonder, to which extent are these people being honest when they discuss with me? Are they just trying to prove me wrong â because I am âthe contrarianâ â or are they really invested in how we should act upon the world, if one of us is right? Do they believe in what they preach, and what do they believe if they donât? In one question: how do I know that I can trust these people to discuss in a honest way?
Today was a good opportunity to test the waters. Discussions like these help me understand the degree of intellectual honesty certain individuals have. If I am going to have a discussion with Yue or Cassirer about an important topic tomorrow, I know they arenât people that will discuss in a honest way, as they will go to great lengths to deny any position I will ascribe to, simply out of their gut feelings (or their antipathy for me), and wonât make an effort to change their mind even when proven wrong. This is why I discussed with them about this one topic (it was also a little bit fun because the context created an unusual contrast between a serious discussion and a whacky thread about asmongold).
This is why I did this.
I think discussions like these help me understand the credibility of the people around me (and itâs also why, for example, my discussions with Perroy these days are barely of a few replies). But I want to stress that I do not harbour strong, negative feelings about people like Perroy. Yes, I do get angry at some of his posts and I dislike the direction heâs bringing his community, but there is no hate behind it, I donât despise him. I dislike more the way some people in the PCU treat other players, rather than the head itself. But in my mind I donât make a big deal out of any of them: these guys arenât criminals, theyâre just rude people that donât care about others (it isnât rare to find persons with this attitude).
Which kinda brings me back to the OOC problem. I think the attitude and enviorment that this anti-OOC group is trying to foster is, deep down, yet another witch-hunt made by those people who want drama, toxicity, slander, and more. I think people donât care so much about those twenty minutes of lags (they are the same people that spend hours discussing with me on these forums, after all) and that many just really, really want to dislike something. The reason is made up later on (he was âoffensiveâ, he did something three years ago, whatever) and I believe that this attitude promotes and mantains an environment that, frankly, sucks. OOC players are just the next target: the perfect one, because not a single member of the community âis like themâ. Yes, a lot of OOCers can be an annoyance but I think most people know they wonât destroy the server, and are just in because witch hunts are fun and hate connects people.
People love to be unkind: itâs a strong short-term strategy to get a strong reward out of it, but in the end it creates a place where angst becomes pervasive, and people feel uncomfortable or apathetic about things. This attitude should also be considered a threat to the community at large, yet very few people are willing to speak about it in a serious way (and when they do they do not correlate it to these witch hunts). I could go on but I am going on a tangent here - I guess you can see where I come from, even if you disagree.
This is also my problem with these discussions. I know youâre right. I hate that youâre right on this one. I never liked the idea that time is so important for us, and I love wasting time (arguably one of my greatest flaws; I still recall how I hated when one of my professors told me that âweâre made of timeâ - God I hate how true this statement is). I know I should be doing something better and that, no matter how you look at it - in the big picture, spending so many hours on the internet forums isnât worth it. And some people, tomorrow, will be better at my job, because they werenât arguing on the web, but were reading instead. I should be studying, you are right. It sucks, but itâs true.
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This is what I believe too so glad Iâm not the only one. While I donât care about X and Y and whatever else people want to start a vendetta against, I can at least see the seriousness to some things. But seeing the attitude of some people does make me think that it isnât true care for X and Y but just yet another way to argue and whatever else. Itâs been happening for years and years now. Started with guilds and players and chasing them from the game and now it seems to have been more clear on that side, people look to new things to complain about. Sure, OOCers can be a pain but itâs being taken way too⌠I dunno. Weirdly. Nobody seems serious about it else they wouldnât do the meme-y point and door thing at times when confronted with an argument. So I do think itâs just âwe ran outta people to harass off the server so we need to focus on a new thing.â
Also an example of something: Player Xâs art is discovered online so they plaster it on the forums to try and get said person to leave when, in fact, people can do whatever the hell they want out of the game. But people made a huge deal of this and several people have been forced to leave in fear of more harassment and shaming. Why should someon care what someone else does elsewhere? They really donât in the end. They just want to put people down.
Silandos, I believe that the crux of your arguement lies the question âWhy the OOC hate now of all times?â Which is an understandable one to take, but itâs been hidden by bad faith arguements in order to bury the question. Because unfortunately itâs going to involve the PCU as your culprits and I suspect the current discourse is more to your taste (e.g not engaging with your actual question in mind).
I believe itâs the one you want to ask because youâre either trying to steelman your own arguement (which I donât believe for a second nor do I know the best term for it) or youâre simply engaging in the back and forth in order to prevent the question being brought to light. I understand I may be extremely assumptions in what Iâve said, but from reading the constant back and forth itâs the only conclusion I can come to.
Tl:dr just ask why the OOC hate now of all times (and Iâm sure youâll get an answer; satisfactory or not).
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