Method last stand?

Manuel in Fawlty Towers: I know nothing

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Maybe I weren’t specific enough? I mean explicitly public online accusation done through social media.

The rest of you post is redundant and doesn’t really answer any of my points. What exactly is your intention when writing “there is a lot reported assaults” or “most of it is never reported”? We both know this to be true.

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Ahh I still remember Lost Prophets…that poster went off my wall pretty fast :frowning:

Famous is also very subjective, there are many people from other esports that were named in the initial reports that i have never heard of simply because i do not play those games. There are people who have never heard of half the gamers in method, there are people who have never heard of the people and groups that are disassociating themselves with method and there are people who have not heard of events like twitchcon.

Honestly before Classic I had never heard of Method…

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Maybe you weren’t explicit enough and I am sorry I misconstrued what you were trying to say.

As to the point you were trying to make, have you actually searched to see how many other tweets/blog posts out there that haven’t come to mass public awareness? I know that I haven’t but I wouldn’t be surprised that just like the number of cases that get reported or the small number that come to public attention via the media, that there are quite a lot out there that we don’t know about.

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There is something being discussed here by Asmongold and Preach to help out:

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That’s a really cool initiative - I do hope Asmon and Preach follow through with it!

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This and this only.

Even worse are the judgement people are passing on the whole organization, iow. any person in Method or connected to Method.

“THEY all knew!! THEY ALL PROTECTED HIM!!!” How do you people know?

Its basically the same thing as if someone on my work place does the same thing, and im to blame for working with him. “YOU KNEW! YOU PROTECTED HIM!”

In the racism debate, the very same people always say: “Dont judge the group for one individuals actions” and its true. But its just as true in this case despite this guy is a white male in a organization with a white/european male majority…

True, so I assume there should probably be many? But it almost seems as if the accusations against low popularity people is of lesser value to the public than the high popularity ones. Even though severity is the same.

Basically in eye of the public the severity is proportional to the popularity of the accuser.

So the victim know that no justice can be done. Because the information is not valuable enough to the public. They have to wait for the public to be ready to consume the information.
So you could say the public is equally as responsible because if it isn’t pandered it doesn’t really matter.

It is also amusing to see how much people enjoy being part in the “crucifixion”. Yet fail to recognize that the participation of this mob mentality is toxic in it self. While hypocritically see themselves as the saints while doing this.

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There are 2 totally different cases here.

The Swifty thing is a case of one persons word against another’s and I don’t think that any sort of judgement should be passed on Swifty until the proper authorities have investigated and come up with the facts.

With the Method thing it’s a bit different, there are screenshots and statements from numerous people within Method that pretty much proves what has happened and also that some of the senior members of Method tried to cover it up, this makes them as guilty as the original perpetrator in my book.

If you’re working with someone and have knowledge that they’re doing something unlawful then by not reporting it to the relevant people and/or doing nothing about it puts you in a position of protecting the guilty.

The big problem here for Method is one of reputation and other peoples perception of the organization. Despite many members being totally innocent of any wrong doing their association with Method will be seen as being detrimental to their own personal reputation.

One of the issues with the cult of celebrity I guess. People like to think they really ‘know’ these celebrities due to their consumption of the celebrities output and are thus much more emotionally invested in them as opposed to Joe Bloggs from two counties away whom they have never heard of and will never come across.

This is not an easy problem to solve and everyone is going to have their own opinion on the subject.

In this case I personally think it is sad to see Method as a group/business collapse in this manner but I also cannot think of any other way this could have gone given what has already come to light.

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Hiding and covering up such thing is not OK.

But judgement shall be passed on those who are guilty of it, not everyone in the community.

Its nothing different from saying “You are somali and guilty of the crimes somalis are doing in my country”

An analogy: You got a loving dog for many years dog. Great family member. Your kids love him, your friends etc… You are very attached to this dog. Then this dog start to develop a illness that makes him agressive. You do everything to help. But in the end there is nothing you can do. You have children. You are afraid that you need to kill the dog because it might be dangerous to keep him around.

Do you still keep him? Give him away let someone else deal with the problem and hope he wont hurt them? Or make the big decision for the greater good of your family.

Most people actually even goes as far as being oblivious to the fact that there is a problem.

I remember an incident irl where their adult child did something obviously very immoral. I went in to detail in how it was wrong. Yet they defended the child.

This same stuff happens with friends and family. People start to defend the members in the pack no matter how bad it gets.

If you make a company it seems that feeling and friends is something you have to be able to distance yourself away from. Be able to eliminate a person before he becomes a problem. Even if it means getting rid of someone close to you.

They don’t.

There is evidence that Method’s management knew enough and failed to act appropriately. But it’s doubtful anyone else within Method knew just how far down the rabbit hole things actually went. Abusive people seem to be good at hiding their activities (like Jimmy Saville or Ian Watkins from the Lostprophets).

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Exactly. This…

Theres that live stream fail where the whole guild is shouting over Josh when they realised he got unmuted. From that huge chorus of voices…they knew.

Sure, they may have been taken in by his story of “they are out to get muh - fake news!”, but they knew and they chose to look the other way. And lets be clear, this was a police matter, thats far more serious than a twitter spat.

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The reason why they were shouting to mute him was becouse he was banned on twitch and cant be center of the attention,becouse then ppl who stream it would get banned aswell.

And ppl in method even the raiders knew about the police investigation its not secret.

Ahahahaha, no. Please don’t be so naive.

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ahahah, please dont act like your opinion is the 100% fact and truth.