Yes but they have inflated the rating in shuffle and 3s right now 2s is just deflated because it has to be to make it fair if these players want to push rating that they deserve faster they need to play 3v3.
SL s2 should never come back it was too easy to get rewards.
I don’t see how 2s is deflated either.
Literally faced complete potatoes who died in the opener multiple games on 2k or 2.1. And I was playing Rshaman Moonkin 
Exactly you can make a fresh alt and it almost starts at 2k in green gear.
But for the top of the ladder spots it is deflated but not to get 2100 its very easy in that mode.
They weren’t green gear. They were actually 2k + CR. They just died like potatoes. To Resto Shaman Moonkin.
Yes but they have inflated the rating in shuffle and 3s right now 2s is just deflated because it has to be to make it fair if these players want to push rating that they deserve faster they need to play 3v3.
Nah, you still don’t get it. I know these three brackets require different playstyles and different proficiencies. But that’s why THEY SHOULD NOT SHARE the same achievements, and if they do, they should have a moreless identical percentile distribution. And all this is still BESIDE the point of there being HUGE inconsistencies across multiple seasons even within the same brackets, does not matter whether 2s, 3s, or RSS, and that was the main topic of this entire thread.
I never argued it’s hard to get 2.1, I argue it’s exponentially harder compared to previous standards. I do, in fact, have a char in greens sitting 2k+ cr, and I did in fact oneshot a monk today at 2.1 cr.
You cant expect to get the same achievements as someone who plays a 3v3 comp tryharding to get 2400 while playing rdruid/hunter in 2v2 it just would not be fair at all.
Could you do that in 3v3 tho?
Aight nevermind, we’re spinning in circles now, we are talking about entirely different topics now. Irony, take it over for me, please. Good night and thanks for the debate, while it was a debate ^^
I’m scared I’ll summon the 5 AM forum demons
Maybe just read the thread from like message 36, to catch up on what we have been talking about xd
I understand what you are saying but blizzard not going to change achievements just for 2s unfortunatly the only way they have been able to fix this issue is making it so 3v3 rating is just around 200-300 higher than 2v2 to take into account that the player base is smaller and its easier to make a team and queue.
Which means you do need to be a higher percentile to get the achievements but it is also easier to get the achievements compared to the other brackets if you play the correct class as Fotm matters heavily in 2s.
By the way the last time blizzard did something like this it completely ruined the ladder and the mode was removed from the game which was 5v5 during mop when it was % based and you could get r1 there it was heavily deflated and people picked it up for almost free while been able to wintrade easier because of the smaller playerbase.
YES. And that’s perfectly fine, because there are achievements beyond 2.4 in 3v3. That’S why I always said moreless identical, not entirely. BUT IT’S STILL NOT THE TOPIC WE’RE TALKING ABOUT XD I am saying this:
SL s3
2v2 duelist - moderately difficult (compared to SL S2, since that’s the top)
3v3 duelist - moderately difficult (compared to SL S2, since that’s the top)
DF s3
2v2 duelist - disproportionately harder (compared to SL S2, since that’s the top)
3v3 duelist - disproportionately harder (compared to SL S2, since that’s the top)
RSS duelist - disproportionately harder (compared to DF S1, since that’s the top)
Too much to read tbh
I’ll summarize what I think though
In general right now every single player can get their usual achievements they get every season, excluding Gladiator to an extent.
So if you are usually 1.8 finish in a season, well you can get that right now, 100% achievable. If you are usually 2.1 finish, you can get that too. If you usually reach 2.4 in Shuffle (excluding season 1 elite gamers) then you can reach it now too.
It’s really only Glad that is still slightly above the Glad level, I consistently faced almost exclusively R1 players on that MMR last night. But I think if you’re trying to farm Gladiator, you should be more than willing to spam face R1 players.
Just read the last message, I summarized my point xd I can’t simplify it any more than that
I understand this but you cant bring up these seasons that gave out achievements for free.
And that’S why I used SL S3 as reference point, because that season was NORMAL.
Sl S3 was probably more deflated than this season is i can remember been around 3-4 months in and people were playing at 2.1-2.4 still.
Oh I disagree with your point.
Season 3 Shadowlands duelist was about equally as easy as the current one. If not slightly harder even.
In Shadowlands the game was far more imbalanced overall so it was literally a FOTM factory. In SL S3 if you weren’t Outlaw Rogue / Fury Warrior / Holy priest literally everything was 5 times harder for you as any other dps or healer.
Why did I get Duelist on week 3 in SL s3 and got Duelist on week 10 in DF s3 then?
because 2s didnt feel the deflation like 3v3 did when wotlk came out because the 2s playerbase is always there i got 2400 2s in s3 slands way before i got 2.4 3v3.
I remember the season clearly because 2v2 is all you could play at the start 3s was that deflated.