Morally grey themes in the Alliance that Blizzard should explore more

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Hello people in BFA here there are certain elements within the Alliance I believe Blizzard Should explore more they go as the Following.

The Void elves.
The Lightforge.
The Dark Iron.
The Night Warrior.
The Kul’tiran Religion.

And of course: the Light.

Now Starting with the Void elves, they’ve been a great boon to the Alliance war effort with their power to open up rifts more or less where they Please at this rate.
Even though warded areas requires a bit more.

Now what needs to be explored more here is basically the ideals and Values of the these Void creatures and the virtues Alliance view upon them.

We know the Ren’dorei are not shy when it comes to warfare, they Gladly raise Skeletons Corrupt Raptor eggs and force Grow them to serve.

Summoning Void Monstrocities and so on, now if the Virtues Alliance Approves of all of these tactics, I kind of want to know why?
Is it because they are effective?
Is it because the Alliance can’t afford not to use them?
Has the War Driven them into a vengeanful phase meaning they don’t care because it is the Enemy that suffers?

Next up the Light Forged.
It is no Secret that the Army of the Light is Shouting out their lunges :“PURGE the HORDE”
And when their Legions descend in Incursion events their forces are Brutal.

Now I kind of want to see them Push this Agenda harder and Harder, with quests and NPC Dialogues.

The Dark Iron is an old race in the game, back from Classic always the bad guys, with some really questionable Ideals and Norms hardly fiting the Alliance’s Virtue and Justice mindset.

I kind of want to see more of them and their Wicked ways, and how the Alliance reacts to the take their less then Subtle Nature.

Okay Seriously what was the Point of the Night Warrior other thsn a new nelf Look?
Is this Transformation good or Evil?
What happened to the First Night Warriors?
And what is its Connection to Death since Risen Night Warrior elves become Dark Rangers and so, on.

I can’t be the only one wanting to know more about the Tide-Sages?
Where did the Religion come from what is their Connection truly to the God Under the Sea?
Were they Created to serve or Fight him?
I must Know!

And well I guess we all want to know Blizz’s plan with what the Light is??
Is it good evil Neutral?

Thoughts Anyone?

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The Kul Tirans don’t revere N’zoth. They worship the Tidemother, whose identity is unknown but certainly has no connection to N’zoth. The Tidemother is a benevolent entity who always guided the Kul Tirans and offered them protection from the sea, that aligns with the Kul Tirans being good guys. Only recently did the whispers become more violent and demanding, a result of Azshara impersonating as the Tidemother to lure Lord Stormsong and his people into madness. Which she failed to do, by the way, since she only corrupted a fraction of the Tidesages.

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I don’t have the time to reply to everything, but at least to this: Their plan is seemingly to turn the Light into another run-of-the-mill cosmic power. A problem all magic in Warcraft currently has. There is no longer any difference between the different schools: It doesn’t matter if I use the Void, the Light, arcane or fel magic in the end they all have the same abilities, they all can be used for good and evil and the only difference is the color of the magic used.

And nowadays they also all corrupt. (Yeah, even nature I mean just look at Malfurion.)

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u wot mate? Sure you haven’t mixed this up with the Mag’har?

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I feel like this a little unfair. Okay, the cinematic with Xe’ra and Illidan is painting a picture that maybe the light isn’t what we think it is, necessarily.

But the Lightforged signed up as it was an apparently benevolent power that stood with them against the travesty of the legion. Equating the Lightforged to the Lightbound on AU Draenor is a bit unfair in my opinion.

Other points could be valid, and I would certainly like to see more about just about every single one you mentioned.

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It’s a demand from the Elves to Elune.

The story wasn’t told in great detail, but an article on polygon regarding the Nightborne, Void Elves and a small part about the Night Elves, will hopefully shed more light on this, in 8.2

Blizzard have also said that the Night Warrior story arc will lead onto future stories.

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This. This is pissing me off so much at the moment. Like whats the point of having this many different schools of magic when you all make them the same in the end anyways?

Just make everyone use Arcane or something then. I mean, the Light can do everything the Void can, just a different color. Same with Fel and Arcane, Life and Death, etc etc…

Its Blizzard, so i’ll wait and see what shenanigans they’ll pull… Also knowing Blizzard those future stories will be in about 6 expansions or something :stuck_out_tongue:

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Well, the Kaldorei are supposed to be doing something in 8.2, as per the interview…what that will be is anybody’s guess.

But at least the Shal’dorei (the new and improved Kaldorei) will be involved :stuck_out_tongue:

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So this thread is another attempt to portray the Alliance as evil and gloss over Horde war crimes?

Puts on Vol’jin hat

Ah nevah trusted yah mon!

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Cannon fodder so that Kul Tirans can be in the spotlight agianst Azshara, wanna bet?

Get the freck out! Reeee

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I’m with the Shen’dralar on this I’m afraid.

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I never understood that tbh. I think each element has ita own distinguished role in universe. And each play different role for the wielrder. As for corruption, I always thought magic affected the wielder and Blizzard always played the rule of Balance and too much of something, being it Light or Nature, can have serious consequences on wielder. As each school has its own descriptive characteristics so does wielder becomes vulnerable or exposed to that traits. Only time we havent seen that is with Void elves not succumbing to voids insanity.

What do you mean do everything and have same abilities?

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Only a problem if your Alliance :stuck_out_tongue:

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I don’t think Blizzard is going to expand much on any of those.
I mean, look at the acts done so far:

  • Dark Shamanism/Molten Giants? Check.
  • Void Abominations? Check.

Those were one of the biggest issues for Big Bad Garrosh in the patch about Siege of Orgrimmar. And both are currently being issued by the Alliance in a way that is portrayed as “understandable”, “justified”, or “logical”.

Its all about portrayal. And so far Blizzard has shown consistent double standards regarding certain acts, that greatly depend on the one doing them.

Horde side, these are usually emphasised to either seed the story with faction internal dissent, or give a viable antagonist to the Alliance plot.
Alliance side, these are usually glossed over and discarded as irrelevant, or created in a way that makes them retroactively justified by an equally bad action the Horde has done.

Why do they feel like doing so? Because certain writers aren’t able to write anything beyond the most Black and White story someone can think of.

Don’t expect the story to emphasise on any. That’s some Horde-only thing.

Ps:

No. Read the title.

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I did and then I read completely made-up events that were supposed to have already happened. AKA LIES.

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There is nothing to suggest that the Dark Iron Shamans are Dark Shamans.

This is your headcanon, your only proof is the fact they summoned one Molten Giant in a raid which also shows no indication of it being enslaved.

We’ve had this argument before.

If this was aimed at the Void then it is happening to both sides.

Mag’har Orcs are also using Void magic to fight the Alliance and other hostiles, nothing is also being done about that or no emphasis on why that is bad either.

Void magic is just becoming used more regularly and is becoming just like Fel. And both sides are using it without anyone having a problem with it. The fault is with the magic in general and it is not tied to a side, albeit the Void Elves use it more and are in the spotlight more. But to that, I’d say it is the principle of using the magic in the first place and is not just about the scale it is used.

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Lets take Teleportation and Portal magic as an example; Apparently its a very dangerous kind of magic to use for Mages, because it can overload the Leylines of Azeroth and cause disaster.

But why would a Mage use it with Arcane magic when magic like the Light, Fel, Void, etc can make better portals or teleportations without a downside? Void Portals don’t overload the Leylines. Light Teleportation doesn’t have any downside to it either… etc etc

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Kul’Tiran and Dark Iron slavers. These two factions were commonly known of using slaves.
even Zandalari mention that this a norm for Kul’Tirans. One of the reasons why Stormsong is one of the dullest zones there is - is because of wasted potential to go totally grim with Kul’Tirans to show their second face.

Imagine how it would be to learn that their ships were built by the hands of slaves which would be the reason why they can rival Zandalari. This would shows that Alliance isn’t goodie two shoe.

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The Dark irons have references to slavery, but I don’t remember Kul Tirans being ones, they (Ashvane) do use child labour though

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That is BfA stuff that they don’t flat out use slavery. In Vol’Dun Ashvane under green Kul’Tiran sails is enslaving Vulpera and manager to capture also elderly Zandalari.

During Zandalari questing you also go to Warport Rastari where Wavebinder told you that one mogu Overlord was such a slaver that “he would make Kul’Tirans blush”.

So Kul’Tirans are performing those acts outside of KT but not in KT at all?

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