It’s infuriating, and as I want to play as a hunter, this leaves me at the same point as during Shadowlands at a similar point…quit and do something that feels less like beating my head against a brick wall. Damn, I vowed I wouldn’t raid when I came back for 9.2 just because they can’t balance this kind of stuff.
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Okay so not only did you buy your first HC Rasz kill, your other 2 kills are from the Woottodoo streamer groups, in which you did barely more damage than the tank.
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ye we’re currently progging mythic rasz and hunters are the only class that need externals for the static charges or they go poof.
And possibly not, our healers could well be utter dogpoo compared to mythic raiders. But that’s not the point - for downing a heroic final boss with an understanding of the intricacies of the encounter, should textbook parsing be a requirement? No…
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The difficulty of raids I posted were already harder than usual.
Asmongold stopped raiding during Nighthold. Preach made this video
So no in fact I am being charitable by not comparing the difficulty to the rest of WoW´s history.
In WoW we have had
Vanilla (super easy)
TBC (super easy)
Wrath (super easy)
Cata (harder)
Panda (harder)
WoD (harder)
Legion (even harder)
BFA (even harder)
Shadowlands (significantly harder)
Dragon expansion (significantly harder).
Nice try with the gotcha though!! My entire point is that the current difficulty we have had the past 2 years has been an aberration when it comes to WoW, all the numbers show I am right. Raiding playerbase is dying at the same time. Meanwhile izimode Classic WoW had better raiding numbers than whatever mess we have now.
People are talking about how WoW has ´´always´´ been hard blah blah, this is blatantly false and a lie.
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But it’s not strictly related to parsing. I legit do not want to gatekeep people from raiding, or sound like an elitist. Fact of the matter is, the average WoW player is very bad. The raid was a walk in the park (except dathea which was nerfed like week 2) and then you come to Rasz where you actually have to work as a team and perform decently well to succeed unless you completely overgear it.
We had plently of people pulling grey/green parses because it was our first kill. We just coordinated our healer cds and raid cds such as rallying cry etc. It really doesn’t take that much to get the boss down. Obviously my PoV will be biased compared to the average WoW player but dare I say, average WoW player is and should not feel to be entitled to AOTC this early.
Yet here you are saying normal should be cleared day 1 when none of classic or tbc raids were cleared day 1 which you say are super easy.
Only raid cleared day 1 in WOTLK was Naxx back in 2008 due to it being silly under tuned .
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I am not trying to “gotcha”, I am comparing difficulty with the most recent raid tiers, because going back 4+ years makes little sense to me. Sure, those tiers were harder than, say Nyalotha, but they weren’t too hard imo.
Why are you linking a video that’s 5 years old lmao.
Thanks man, this sums it up. I used to raid mythic but, as I said, I’m not an octopus. I am genuinely finding this boss harder than I found Queen Azshara mythic (perhaps my team is waaay better there, but still). Not really been close to CE any other time. Sorry if that diminishes me in your eyes but I try as hard as I can. Plus I find raiding mythic problematic from an anxiety point of view (I’m a senior IT consultant, freelance, have to conduct workshops, be the expert, yet mythic raiding is far more problematic than my job). At one point I had the ability to CE, I don’t feel like I do now. Is it me or is it the game getting harder? Well I don’t think my reactions will have done that far wrong since mid-BfA unless I’ve developed Parkinson’s without me knowing. Blizzard have very directly made this game waaaaay harder. For example I was also in the mid 20s in terms of keys during BfA…20s during Shadowlands (when I played) but now, 20 is so, so punishing.
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But literally all of this comes down to subjective opinion. Are the tiers harder than they were earlier? Sure.
Were the tiers from earlier expansions too easy? Maybe
Is the current difficulty of raid tiers too difficult or did we finally hit the correct level of difficulty?
There’s literally no “right” answer, all I’ve done is state that I think the difficulty is fine, I don’t think AOTC in 4 weeks needs to be reached by every HC guild, I personally enjoy progressing on a boss and overcoming it, either by getting better gear through reclears or mastering the mechanics needed.
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dude i remember ashara HC >,<
pain is real.
actually i think razageth hc is chilled out last boss
obviously after 50 fails on her but still
worst problem is fight is long, noone can die
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I’m trying to operate from a relative perspective. I used to raid mythic but I’m hitting the same brick wall on a heroic last boss. Possibly guild limitations though and I’m just feeling that deficiency. But I don’t get the impression they are that bad that curve should be out of reach…it certainly wasn’t during Sepulcher and in fact Jailer was on easy reclear (it was just the time of physically getting through that damn place :-D)
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That, I will agree is my least favourite part about the newer raid tiers (and their endbosses specifically). I don’t think we absolutely NEED to have a 10-12 minute 3-phase fight for every end boss. Stuff get’s old real fast
So the TL’DR is
OP being toxic to all
OP bought his 3 raz hero kills
OP shaming his guild
OP made a heated debate and offered nothing.
There is a right answer.
Having a difficulty that is so high that it is killing raiding and maybe even WoW itself… is bad?
WoW raid participation has never been worse (relative to the time where the raid was released). This is bad.
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Well you are wrong as it took months for guilds vash and KT in TBC which you claim are super easy raids.
It took for example 133 days for KT to die in TK in TBC how is that super easy and a lot longer than 4 weeks/
(its 19 weeks btw)
To be honest, I’m considering buying it because I have plenty of gold and can’t be arsed with this. Hopefully that bow or trinket will drop.
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yes this is harsh
and i was in such a mood on my first 20 attempts
“if someoe die in phase 1 , i just go suicide jump off platform”
cause you need dps phase 3 phase 1 is ez
BTW looking for raid have same mechanics phase so you can go and learn there
there is 0 zero deaths p1 ? proceed
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GL on that its like Sly bow all over again 