Wait till you reach heroic Dathea. Without DKs in the group
Well, the same HC raiders cried about those +15s invalidating HC raid, so blizzard stepped in, and made M+ significantly harder and more in line with other content.
And now you canât clear HC because you dont have the gear that invalidates HC.
In a way yes⌠people wanted HC raids to be relevant in the reward structure.
And as you pointed out, in general HC raiders arenât known for doing 20+
Which has made the HC loot relevant.
Having some logs would help, but i bet most of your people that die, dont even bother using defensives. Either that or youâre so spread that its near impossible to aoe heal the raid ect.
very good troll post xD
i liked this part. lold out loud
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There are better games out there. So let blizzards devs taste the result of their elitists tuning in m+ and raids
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should have went for first 3-4 mythic then instead wasting time on boss you clearly cannot kill untill everyone will be 415 + after VP limits get removed .
in couple of weeks rings will come - without a doubt with their offensive/defensive abilities you will be able to kill it,
just ignore it for time being.
and honestly i dont belive you had easier time on sylvanas hc then on this 
Itâs not. I see the same thing happening in my guild right now. They are not disbanding but no one is signing up for the heroic raid anymore if Raszageth is the only boss left standing and a lot of people have lost interest in raiding already. This guild has existed since 1998 and since the introduction of different raid difficulties they have cleared them on heroic + a few mythic bosses until the next season hits. Dragonflight has made heroic raids way more difficult and Raszageth canât be compared to any of the bosses before. The dps check you have to meet (not hitting the 2nd spark phase without BL on the first platform) is also really high and requires people to be well equipped and play their rotations really well. This guild wiping until people lose interest is a first and I am also not a big fan of it. Heroic used to be a rather casual mode and there is no reason for it to be that discouraging to play.
We have mythic raids as the peak of difficulty. There is no reason for heroic raids to be that difficult especially considering how the dropped item level is often not worth the effort as equivalent m+ keys are way easier to handle.
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Iâve seen this in BC (I was non-raiding member in a so-called âFeeder guildâ back then, they were stuck in T4 for pretty much the whole expansion), once raiding progress stalls, the ones who really want to raid will start looking elsewhere for progression, when a few people do that and leave the guild, it becomes tough (If not impossible) to put a raid together at all, and the whole guild falls apart.
Many people are in guilds purely to get into organized raiding, if a guild canât offer that, theyâre gone.
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Those are the âpasserbyâ guildies as I call them. As long as thereâs progress itâs all fun and games. When you run into a challenge, theyâre the first to leave because âxyzâ.
Guildmembers can be offline for months, log back in and be part of the family again. Those passerby individuals are just temporary recruits who hopefully donât get too much loot
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But Jailer was 10 times harder then entire VotiâŚ
If you killed it then, you should deff be able to kill rasâŚ
Iâll leave it for you to decide whether or not those two boss fights share the same difficultyâŚ
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I swear everytime I look at those guides I get so confusedâŚ
I even did Jailer HC and and do Rasz HC on one shot farmsâŚ
Yet looking at those guides I am like, what? 
I totally understand , and you explained very well my frustration. Constant effort without gratification, is making people stop showing up for raiding.
People dont understand that:
- Rasz difficulty being a dps/healer check without them being geared up as before (m15 ilvl cap), is problematic
- Rasz having a bad loot table for anyone excluding hunters, discourages people even more
- Most of the player base, are not Mythic raiders, they are casual raiders with jobs and families who come home after a days work to relax do some raiding with their guild and get some loot. If these obstacles are being put before them, more and more each expansion, they rather not log in anymore
- The ilvl of Heroic is not enough to gear yourself up for Rasz encounter (pls no examples of mythic raiders clearing in 370 ilvl). So we do have to dip into M+ right? But now the rewards for +15 are different âŚnot as good as +20âŚnot as bad as heroicâŚwe somewhere in LimboâŚand people dislike that also because they feel forced to M+ without a substantial reward
You guys have to understand that the vast majority of wow players are people pushing 30 or older, with a real life. These people wont put up with much shenanigans before quittingâŚand this damages the games health as we noticed for the last years.
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Ah. You want yes sayers.
Aight. Your entire rant is void from the get go.
You have people die to corrupting rage.
And your comparison with the vault is worthless. The Raid got changed into 3 ilvl brackets instead of the previous 2. A +16 gives you loot equal to 4/8M. Half the raid on Mythic. + in the very least 5 items at 418 which is higher than 4/8M.
+20 is equal to 6/8M. People wanted higher rewards for doing higher content in M+ and that wish was granted with Raids being broken into 3 brackets. You were not nerfed.
Ah so you are a bunch of loot beeps. Great. Worthless argument.
HAHAHAHAHAH. So youre saying Mythic Raiders dont have jobs and families? Do you actually want to be taken serious?
Then go normal. Go to a difficulty that suits your level of skill or that of your guilds. Its that simple. Or wait for nerfs. Or start to fix your abundance of reasons why you wipe like a hunter dying to his own Phial.
Yes it is. And even if it wouldnt be you can gear yourself very effectively outside of the raid. Or otherwise do the first 2 or even 3 on mythic and then go back to Ras HC if you really have that many issues (which again is not the fights fault for your Guilds group doing so many mistakes)
Read above.
418 ilvl gear for doings 16s. âwithout a substantial rewardâ my butt.
Yes. Im in that age category. So what? Age isnt an excuse and neither is the âi have a real lifeâ argument. Hot news for you: Most people have a real life.
Go normal. Or fix your guilds mistakes.
YOUR HUNTERS ARE DYING TO CORRUPTING RAGE. A BLOODY PHIAL.
Your entire rant is worthless in its entirety.
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I really dont understand who youre speaking about, what hunters what phial , are you ok? You seem very aggressive âŚusing a lot of caps lock⌠and upset by my post.
I can see your main. I can see your guild. I can see your logs.
The boss isnt the reason why you wipe. Its your guild.
And if i see people like your hunters not survive a tick due to getting hit by his corrupting rage phial then sorry, its not the fights fault.
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You still need to apologise to the person you doubted and mocked about there kill and item level.
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You might want to remove that player name (assuming its the hunter in question) - CoC and all that jazzâŚ
Meh.
Point stands. His rant is worthless. His guild dies to the most dumb stuff ive ever seen. The Phial even being a personal choice to use.
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Well, you know, you donât HAVE to kill Raz.
If that is something you canât manage, thats totally fine. Not everyone will do it.
I have not been able to so far and thats okay. Maybe I wonât make it in time for AOTC and thats fine. What would the Achievement be worth if everyone had it?
I donât get this mindset. Why do people expect to be able to get the best gear and clear everything? Why do people think thats how the balancing should be based on?
You can clear the content in normal. If you canât make heroic thats okay. Its not meant for everyone to do it.
M+ was way to easy to get geared, especially compared to raiding. So the fact that you canât get max lvl gear by doing +15 is fine imo. M+ is still better than raiding for gearing imo, which I think still sucks a bit.
If the fact that you canât down Raz nearly disbands your guild, just donât attempt him anymore. Do the other bosses, maybe try doing the first bosses on mythic for a fresh experience and better gear and come back later (Or never). Its fine.
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You are still very upset and I dont understand why. Maybe you can message me the real reason? Because people actually do mistakes especially in Heroic raiding.
You are playing the game perfectly all the time never messing up?
You discovered one mistake of a player and forcefully trying to prove a point?
And fyi, I dont need validation from you, you are free to keep your opinions and think what you want, a simple search on this forum will show you that theres a lot of people that agree with me.
I think I understand why youre so angry, using caps and laughing in capital maniac letters, maybe because you find it hard to accept a different point of view than yours. Because you believe you know the absolut truth, and not just about wow, about everything else in life.
P.S. You are the best example of mythic raider bullying lower bracket players that they are not good enough. That 3k rio tank who does a +15 key and shouts at everyone that they suck.