I can tell you this: I’ve never been this close to quitting since I came back in legion.
I just play to raid, and if I won’t be able to do it without doing torghast, I’ll simply quit.
and no, I’ll give my gold to my guild.
You already have a legendary so you must have done some Torghast in the past?
Then post your proof. From all sources it is clear that retail wow has lost half of it’s shadowlands players within a few months.
Uhm… no. They list guilds all the way down to normal mode for raids, too. You can include that.
For instance, WoWProgress says Tarren Mill has 737 guilds that have done any heroic raiding and up. Silvermoon has 702.
But once you go up higher in the skill levels, Tarren Mill dominates by 3x.
This is a pretty common thing in the game right now; Horde dominates in population overall, but it gets more and more extreme the higher up the rankings you go.
You’re just sampling people from very unreliable datasets. You’re not measuring anything at all.
Well the 9.0 launch was acutally pretty nice. WoW was huge at the launch of 9.0. Shame it wasn’t to last.
yes, more than i could stomach, I’m not gonna do that again.
shouldn’t be a problem for normal, but for curve i’ll probably need an updated lego wich means more torghast.
It was the wording that was clickbaity. I saw some go as extreme as WoW lost half it’s playerbase.
There is a cycle in wow with expansions and patches. There are a portion of ,presumably, casual players who just come to play the new content for a month or so and then go again until the next patch.
So the influx that we got with the new expansion, a portion of those left again.
The site that purports to have the statistics can also never provide a source for their data and has been widely discredited but why let any of that get in the way of a good story. Blizz itself doesn’t share any of those stats but does provide MAUs to the share holder meetings. That is the only data available publicly.
Edit to add
World of Warcraft player numbers fell back to normal levels as the excitement around November’s Shadowlands expansion subsided.
You have a personal bias that only players who meet certain metrics like raid count. I simply don’t agree but it really doesn’t matter because there are no stats. All players count for me no matter what level they play at. You are the one using very dodgy date IMO because to you no one who plays the game at a non-competitive level counts.
TM has always performed well at raid level and they are a connected realm. A realm so small it required a connection to another to bolster both realms. Draenor and Silvermoon have consistently been giants as far as populations go. They don’t perform as high as some other realms on a raid basis and never have. One of the guilds in the world top ten has moved off Draenor because it was too busy and unreliable, they went to a smaller realm.
Raid performance is not the measure of a realm unless your interest is purely moving to a new raid home.
I tend to treat torghast as a chore that I have to perform weekly until I get to a point where I can ignore it.
You can get some of the materials through other means this time, so although you’ll be slower you will get there eventually.
I guess in business world admitting failure or mistake is a sure fire way to get yourself sacked and replaced.
that’s the same way I treated it, but now, I need to reforge my leggo on a ring, because my shoulder will need a domination setpiece, so I have to completely redo everything i did and that’s 5k soul ash just for rank4, just to be at the point i already am now.
plus whaterver cinders it needs for rank 6.
maybe i’ll buy a boost for the first time ever, get someone do torghats for me as I wait AFK at the entrance, would that be possible, or would I need to actually participate?
SL is just a huge mistake . one in line of many mistakes.
its catering only to mythic nolifing crowd.
and SL is best proof that catering to those people is a mistake
everything in SL went wrong - staritng with removal of 70 levels from players , through removal of TF , along adding unnesaesarily complicated soulbinds/conduits / now gems systems , with a huge blow from nerf to gear , followed by wrong implementation of VP , foolwoedd by overtuned m+ and raids , gutting out WQ rewards and milion other things that are spit to the face of casual playerbase
there is just no way blizzard can salvage it
what they should do is abandon SL , lower sub prices by 75% till 10.0 and focus on making game good again .
You make the claim, you show the proof. That is how it works. Prove it.
Never once seen one of these people been able to prove it.
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No it didn’t, Blizzard did overall, WoW actually gained.
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I actually think the base of Shadowlands was spot on, its just when the time past and the actual long term system came into play then we saw the major cracks appearing.
Annoyingly I think if they had focused more on the base game rather than the system such as conduits, then SL would be viewed much more brightly.
There’s a high chance that it could be due to Chromie’s alteration of timelines, I say this because I was leveling a human warrior, did it via the exile’s reach island and as I arrived to Stormwind, I was automatically prompt to do BFA content, out of curiosity I went to Goldshire, and town was completely empty, then decided to roll a fresh new character with a level 1 character, Goldshire was over-populated.
The shards are a massive issue to me. I understood why it was done but to me it makes a world feel dead, when it reality, I am just on a bad shard.
I’ve zoned into Sinfall sometimes and I can barely move or get to npcs because of the shear number of people, then other days I’ll fly in and there is not a soul around.
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I played since Vanilla on Outland and it was almost always full, with Queues in prime time and especially when New X-Pacs launched.
Now is “Normal”. Can’t believe it lol.
Anyway , WoW will keep going down, thanks to Ion. He’s the first director ever, to launch 2 failed X-Pacs…in a row.
I got a feeling, that he’s also in-charge with the next x-pac. I am skipping the entire Shadowlands and will not pre-order 10.0 , unless the majority of people who will play it, says is the best thing ever to happen to WoW.
The only reason I still give money to Blizzard this days, is … thanks to the older games ( x-pacs ) and that says A LOT about Blizzard as a Game Company.
Their only way to …save themself is D4 and the next WoW X-Pac. If both fail, Blizzard will no longer have the power to … raise again, because Activision will take full control over them.
From seeing the early Diablo 4 shots, and the work they’ve put into Diablo 2: RE (which by all accounts, has been getting tons of positive reception from community members/leaders) I think they’ve shifted a lot of resources across because they seem those two games as being redeeming titles.
Game cutters to casuals not hardcore thats why its so boring.
You do realise AD is an RP realm, right? 
You can’t throw a brick without hiting someone in the head in the RP hotspots, heck even out in the word…
Maybe RPers are not that keen to grind their/our behinds off for mogs are not that cool and hard to explain in an RP setup… so running around in the SL for anima, not to mention Korthia is not on the top of the priority list (to be honest, not seen any actual RP in the SL realms, wich is quite understandable)
Sure AD have its OOC/PvE playerbase too, but its naturally smaller than other realms and you could feel the Server is empty… but its just an illusion. For what its porpouse, RP, its quite full and healthy
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