My pathfinder experience in BFA

your mistake op was not playing the glorious human master race and our 10 % rep bonus :smiley:

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There is a reason there are also complains about grinding essences :slight_smile: Grinding is just not fun. Having to do the same thing day in day out, week in week out, for a number going up to in the end getting something essential for being able to play the game and have fun. (and of course we are maybe not even using that essence you can get from the rep grinds)

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Essences are kinda essential and linked to character progression so I get that. A more direct route, less mind numbing would be good.

Flying is not required so I don’t see any reason it shouldn’t be hidden behind something that requires work. Blizz make all zones fully manageable on foot so being able to fly in them is a convinience and nothing more.

World quests are not the best way. I think it should still require rep, but the rep gathering should be different. It should either be tied to various different activities with tabards, or be like mechagon where you have one big world quest and smaller simply dailies. Whatever it is it should be something that requires attention but does not dominate (current status can have you spending close to 1.5hrs or 2 of playtime getting your rep chores done before you actually play, that’s just bad)

This said I’m against flying for free and for money. It should take something, and that something should not be gold as gold is weirdly distributed due to ppl getting fat in wod which means ppl who played then baulk at 1million g whereas others dont. It needs to be something that recognises effort now, not effort employed in previous expos.

I’d say rep is probably the safest bet there that can’t be rushed in 4 hrs. You tie pve content into the achi like dungeons and you will have a horde of whiners moaning they shouldnt be forced to do dungeons etc.
Quest achi on their own (zone stories) just feels like timesink by a different name. Let’s be honest it’s only time that determines how quickly you do a zones story, there’s nothing challenging about it. If by this alone it’d advantage ppl who can sit at home all day completing each zone in one play session over those who cannot and have like 1 or 2 hours to play. Disadvantaged by circumstance.

I won’t say I love repgating. But I will say its fair. It’s not consuming enough to favour ppl with all day to play over those who cant. It doesn’t require certain content. It’s just consistent application which is fair. It’s just unfortunate te the vehicle for delivery (WQs) is about as interesting as watching paint dry.

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Then I think we agree :slight_smile: I just complain about the current method watching paint dry.

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You will not hear me contest that. I do it every patch (max reps) only to save myself the pain later, but I don’t enjoy it.

My point that is not understood by everyone is that feelings and fun are subjective and not debatable. You can not force someone to feel something. It’s called rape.

If I find fun to put on top of the mountain a banquet and let my char having dinner there, that is fun for me.

It doesn’t matter if I need to do so, or that I didn’t achieve something.

So if Blizzard is reading this, remember P!NK words: this used to be a fun house (with 12M users). Now it’s full of evil grind.

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Dunno really.

One one hand, I didn’t have to wait six months for part two to come out and with World Quests giving out gear and some lucky RNG drops here and there, I was able to do Part 1 and Part 2 at the same time.

But on the other hand and this is completely my fault is that I felt tired doing the same content each day just to get the reputation to unlock it but I did yesterday. Still behind of sorts, the grind only got me to 407 ilvl and got two factions exalted being the Horde war campaign one and Zandalari…

Not a fan of Nazjatar zone though, it’s like a maze without flying there and with too many mobs… It’s a personal thing but I just don’t like the zone. Even Tanaan Jungle and the end zones in Legion were easier to get about in.

It’s a massive stretch to call Pathfinder achievements rape.

Pathfinder didn’t follow you home and force you into an ally and make you do things against your will then hand over to his buddy Pathfinder II.

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Not if you’re like me and have no luck with the faction table or doubloon drops, lol.
Sorry, most people aren’t born with golden bum-hairs so they can’t do 9000 reputation for each faction in less than a few weeks, and have to rely more or less exclusively on world quests for rep gain. And at 75 & 125 rep a pop (75 being more common) and an extremely limited amount of WQ spawns a day, you’re still looking at needing to do 120 world quests in order to gain revered with one faction, worst case.

And there are, what, 7 factions? 840 WQs (with emissaries slicing off maybe 13 WQs required for one faction), without accounting for 125 rep gain ones that don’t really do all that much to shorten the grind.
I’m doing the numbers assuming contracts are not a thing because they complicate the example a bit but…

Every zone spawns I think a total of 8-9 WQs a day (give or take a couple).

No matter how you twist this, the grind is too much and the reward is too small for the amount of time you have to invest in it and work you need to put into it.

You can downplay it as much as you like, but to say that it isn’t a problematic, tedious and arbitrarily long grind (especially as RNG procs cannot be relied upon) is just… objectively wrong. Sorry.
It’s only this way because, as I said, Ion doesn’t like flying. There is no reason why flight should be locked behind the Pathfinder achievements otherwise.

EDIT: I think in the end, I would be fine with the rep gating if only there were other means of acquiring reputation. Like crafting turn-ins, like way back when you could turn in Runecloth for reputation, for example.
Turn-ins that are not time-gated that I can spam as much as I damn well like. If I want to spend all my time in WoW spamming turn-ins for reputation and consume that content quickly, I should be allowed to do that.
I pay for my sub, so I think I should be allowed the agency to decide for myself how quickly I can grind my rep instead of being arbitrarily forced to wait all the bloody time. I’d much rather put in a lot of work in a short amount of time, than being made to do a series of easier things for what feels like no progress at all. Seriously, 75 and 125 rep feels like less than nothing, and it is incredibly discouraging to see such little progress for how much time you spend doing things.

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So yesterday I had flying. In one day of flying I gathered over 1000 herbs, level up my alchemy to 175 and start putting flasks at affordable prices in AH (200g), send over 400 flowers to my alt 116 with inscriptions and put some affordable (200g) contracts in AH, finish the quests that I was interested and had the time to walk in Legion and this morning I unlocked both void elfs and lightforged draenei.
I even had some time for Darkmoon and to play with my 96 warlock.

I love flying. I want flying. I still play the game although I started in 2006 because of flying.

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Pathfinder is meant to be accuired within few months

I unlocked all 3.

WOD was cancer. SPECIALLY that treasure hunting part. I hated every second of it. with a passion.

Legion was nice. I enjoyed it actually. SPECIALLY the suramar part. I quite liked the quest chain there.

BFA, took me a while to do pathfinder 1. Pathfinder 2 was over after 10 days with the average of 1 to 2 hours per day doing quests.

Overall, Here’s 2 changes i wish could happen.

1- No more of that DAMN WOD treasure hunting. EVER.

2- Other methods of getting reputation. Not just world quest. I don’t care about how long it takes for pathfinder 2 to arrive. Just other methods of rep grind than world quests.

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Who died and put this rule in charge?

Seriously, is 2020, this game is competing above anything else for players and people time.

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probably because you have months to unlock first part, before second is out, and second took 1 hour or so a day to be unlocked lmao.

I expect something along the way the Waterwalking mount and Mount Equipment went.

Basically…

  • something anyone can get
  • not account wide
  • need to either shell out loads of money if you don’t have the chievos, or buy it off some NPC somewhere in the expansion’s zone, far away from a portal.

Bonus points if they make it expansion-specific mount equipment :joy:

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One awful thing with BFA is the alt unfriendliness.

Some classes require specific essences/reputation and honestly grinding ā€œagainā€ on ā€œxā€ amount of alts is pissing me off.

I liked the ā€œstarā€ bonus rep with the dungeon at MoP as well as the tabard to gain ā€œxā€ amount of reputation.

Or simply having the reputation account wide so we could play our alt a little more than we do already.
(with some changes about the amount of reputations to receive or to reach)

But i’m talking in general and not really specifically for the Pathfinder.

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Speaking about it, I never understood why reputation is not shared on account faction wise.

I mean they know me, I am exalted, I am introducing my little cousin, it’s a friend of ours, duhhh

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Or Legion - once you hit Exalted, all the rep tokens became BoA, so that even if you didn’t have an alt at the moment, you could save those up and use them later.

Then maybe hit exalted on your alt and get twice the amount of tokens and get exalted for another alt even faster and get even more alts and then more and more and just send them on gold missions to make literally millions of gold… Hmm guess that’s why BfA is the exact opposite, you need to grind everything over and over and the gold missions make less than a single daily quest :thinking:

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I have about 9k rep to go for mechagon and… the other .2 zone.
I hate getting rep for them.
Its so boring and takes forever each day.

I know i could do it in a few weeks and eventually i will but its just so boring and annoying.

I wish the mission table had their rep on it

agency
action or intervention producing a particular effect
a thing or person that acts to produce a particular result