I would have thought 10+ isn’t for the “average player”. If you want to steamroll through 10+, you need to become better than average.
Yes, but it’s still to early for full potential. You need 2-3 weeks to unlock ranks 3 and even when you get essences you still need that base stat and stamina level. It can be situational with the new affix but still the average key pugged is yet to increase.
M+ is not getting overgeared yet, that needs time.
The random positions of emissaries will also make this season fairly more pug unfriendly compared to reaping.
There’s also some really wacky positions that the void one can spawn. Last week it was right in front of the hatchery area in ToS, with literally 0 ways to LoS it.
Overall, though, +10 is perfectly doable even right now with relative ease. You can even +2 with a good group.
at 10s its doable ill be honest, but I think, at certain key levels it wont be doable so hopefully it will be addressed.
if you cant LoS it, only way to deal with it, is burst it, but i’d imagine at some key levels it will be impossible to burst it in a short window provided so its 100% wipe scenario.
My expirience from this week is: Don’t stupidly AoE everything down or overpull, it was doable a few weeks back and isn’t anymore now. Especially with raging… Having 6 mobs enraged beating the crap out of me was really painful xD
Just look whats going wrong and adjust your tactics, it’ll get easier with every run since you will get 430 items thrown at you (Another 10 ilvls will make a huge difference).
Honestly you arent supposed to do a +10 then.
good.
The fact that it’s no longer a freebie thing and is as difficult as a heroic raid at least, is how it should have been.
Except that they removed Fortified and Tyrannical from +10 because they didn’t want people walking into a brick wall once they progressed past +9. A philosophy they seem to have abandoned in season 3 of BFA.
What? Seriously, WHAT? I did +10 without sweat with 398 lock in my pt, just don’t try to zerg everything and think a little.
I’d rather say that 1~9 are slightly undertuned. The jump from +9 to +10 is pretty big, but that’s because of the new +10 affix. With the increased ilvl drops, it should be relatively easy to get into +10 once you start getting a bit more gear. The season has just started, give it a few weeks.
strive to be the best or maybe you’re fine with being average?
It’s a gear issue. At the end of season 2 most players were overgeared for what 10s were designed for when that season started ilvl-wise, making the challenge trivial in most cases.
What we’re experiencing right now is a lower power output after the difficulty of mythic+ dungeons were increased. We are undergeared for what we have become used to- to rush though mythic+ with high gear. Once we get 440 average ilvl, a 10 will of course be significantly easier.
Current +10 is equal to previous +12 (check the scaling adjustments). But now we have powerful Essences to work with. Some packs die almost instantly if 2 or 3 use the essences at the same time.
So I doubt it’s much harder imho. Even when not 430 geared yet.
If +10 is too hard for you then you are really horrible at the game.
It’s like the easiest thing ever and you get rewarded way too much for it
i’ve said it once, ill say again.
S3 has scaling changes per key (was 8% now 10%), a BRAND NEW seasonal affix at +10 which actually requires some thought and planning, dungeon tuning changes so the ‘meta’ route may not be the best any more.
Give it a month, with some gear upgrades and a 10 will be easy as it was with reaping. Already managed a +10 underrot in time, some 10/11/12’s over time.
They removed it from +10 and put it on +2, with an extra affix being put on +10 this makes it harder.
Not complaining because i like the fact that keys are a bit harder now, allthough we will outgear them in a few weeks and then we’re back to the start
Assuming you used to be around 415 and loot was 400 you over geared it with +15 ilvls in last season.
If you wanna compare fair, wait until you beef up your ilvl to +15 of the 430 it drops and be around 445 and then 10’s will be like a walk in the park blindfolded.
They are under progression atm and when a dungeon is under progression it means in some difficult packs maybe with void emissaries your dps must pop a main stat pot to burn her down, ive seen people even in 15’s not using any consumables, it doesnt go like that. You want progress and gear? You need to spend consumables and gold + have a fair knowledge on how things work and some ilvl.
Just a gear/skill issue. Smashing through 10’s no worries at the mo, most are 2 chests.
Here’s a thought, maybe it’s not meant to be for an avarage player.
+10 isn’t meant for the average player. I am casual, and +6/+7 are what I consider my limits.
If there is one issue, I think M+ should give better gear on all levels. Easy content like WQ’s and warfront shouldn’t give gear equivalent to mid-tier M+. Beginners should start practicing on lower levels, but if they already have better gear, why would they run that? So they start with higher levels because that is upgrade for them, keep wiping and it’s a bad time for everyone.