Mythic premade group system way too toxic picky. Needs to change

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At the time of writing this, my mythic rating is 2737 SoB timed 12, everything else timed 11. On paper this makes this character the most appropriate to be getting into groups for 12 keys. Nothing timed higher than a 12, nothing timed lower than an 11.

Over about 7 hours of game play at prime time, I’ve managed to get picked for one group for a 12, despite as previously explained, being most appropriate for 12 keys.

Now I can at least begrudgingly understand people with like 3.2k rating wanting to sit on their high horse and not slum it with someone who has 500 less mythic rating for their 12 key but what I cannot fathom is people with mythic ratings 200-300 less than my own declining/let expire several times and then picking another paladin over my own for their group. I can only assume that they’ve picked another paladin with far higher mythic rating than my own very appropriate rating. This is something toxic that needs to change given getting recruited for one 12 mythic in 7 hours of applications.

One suggestion would be that people with a mythic rating more than 100 higher than the character with the key can’t see or apply to that premade group. That way you can only recruit random people who are at best a slightly higher mythic rating but very similar to yourself. Pretty fair way to stop people being toxic levels of picky. The exception being you could invite people on your friends list.

Another option would be something dungeon finder style. Tick what dungeon and level mythic you want and it’ll sort you into a group of people specifically with a similar mythic rating wanting to do that same dungeon and key level. If you’re 2000ish and you dungeon finder a 12 Dawnbreaker you’ll get put with random people who are also 2000ish looking for a 12 Dawnbreaker. Again, stops toxic pickiness by only grouping you with similar rated characters.

Please don’t suggest putting up your own key as a solution, that’s not the point of this post.

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So basically instead of making your own group you decided to waste 7 HOURS trying to get to someone else’s and then you blame the game developers.

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Get your key to 12, invite people in a non picky fashion.

Then you’ll learn why people are picky.

Dumb thread.

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You’re making incorrect assumptions and putting words in my mouth (or typing letters on my keyboard) in quite a graceless manner. I’m not blaming game developers, just making suggestions that could make mythics less toxic based on a common theme of issues.

Did also write ‘Please don’t suggest putting up your own key as a solution, that’s not the point of this post.’ as there’s a fair bit more nuance to the to the issue. What if I’m after a specific dungeon and I don’t have that particular key? I’m still stuck because I can’t get into 12s to change it so I have to keep doing 10s and 11s with a one in seven chance of it turning into the key I need. I’d rather just wait a reasonable hour or two while doing relaxing quests and dailies and save my brain power for that specific twelve instead of burning out my concentration loads of other mythics I really don’t need but seven hours is just toxic to get picked for a specific 12 (or any at this rate) considering my appropriate mythic level when you’re being consistently declined by people 200-300 lower. I do level up my own keys and I’d like to think I’m not unreasonably picky. 2000ish if I’m posting an 8, 2200ish a 9, 2400ish a 10. Not really fussy about drums etc.

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Your complain towards the wrong evil. Your problem is the jump 11 to 12 is insanely large this season. Blizz added an artificial extra difficulty on it. That is why people with a +12 ask ‘too high’ scored players for it. You can +2 every +11 but that does not make you prepared for a +12.
Blame blizzard.

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Thank you for providing a cause for the symptoms I was unaware of.

While it is plausible that I could be ill prepared to do twelves due to the difficulty jump, on paper twelves is the difficulty of content that I should be aiming to do and people should be wanting to group with this character to do and I should be able to get recruited into a group to do a specific twelve dungeon within a reasonable wait time. Instead of the impasse of I can’t get into twelves because I don’t have the mythic rating but can’t up my mythic rating because I can’t get into twelves.

Still, something needs to change to make mythic grouping less toxic. Either reduce the difficulty jump so people don’t rely on overpowered strangers or something like I previously suggested like stopping people with noticeably higher mythic ratings applying to a key owner’s group and people just having to power through an apparently difficult part of the curve. I assume people in the first instance powered through without relying on overpowered strangers.

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Keep in mind that paladin is the most played class in the game, and a group leader can be almost certain that a couple of paladins will queue up to their group, and of course they will most likely choose the one they see most fitting for their group (usually the one with the best name ofc).

Have you tried tanking, since paladin tanks are extremely strong atm. Getting into groups would be easier that way if you want to take on the extra responsibility. Personally, I play warrior, so I am forced to tank in m+ in 12/13 keys because nobody would take a dps warrior over a dps paladin given equal rio etc. since ret. paladins are just way better in m+.

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Or create your own group and wait for 2 other DPS, then ages for tanks and healers who look at your spec and raider io score and say “nahh”, or simply due to a big lack of tanks and healers, you just don’t get any applicants.

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I can understand that you can get frustrated and think that all those lower rated keyholders are toxic for declining someone with a higher rating than their own, but its not toxicity its supply and demand that is steering their actions.

According to your rating you should be trying to get into +12 if you have all +11s. Problem is there are too many people like you and me, non meta. not really providing any crazy utility (bloodlust), melee dpsers. Because of this, us lot are the worst at pugging.

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The following is from the american forum.
My question to you all is do you agree.

Please share this as much as possibe to get some traction and responses.

Ill say again this is not my.pwn post, so dont flame for anything said :wink:

Loooong post incoming:

I’m DONE trying to ration out solutions to fix this awful game mode.

I’m sure other players, forum readers, content creators, discord servers, guilds, communities and all other WoW-related social platforms are fed up too. Yes, I know I said the ‘S’ word, but the social aspect used to be at the forefront of the game, not competitiveness.

We pay you a monthly sub, we do PTR testing, we do Beta/Early Access testing THAT WE PAY FOR, we make countless reviews and videos talking about all the flaws of the game, big or small. (Quazii, Marcelian, and Comeback Kids come to mind.) It’s not our job but we love the core of the game so much we do it. There is absolutely NO excuse why it should be even remotely this bad.

Dungeons are supposed to be small-scale content to bust out on a weeknight with your friends just having a good time. Maybe an hour each night, or maybe 3 hours once a week. I’m sure most M+ participants want to share a celebratory high-five with their buddies (virtual or IRL) in honor of a fun 3k season and reminisce about some crazy pulls that happened a few of those nights. All while maintaining excitement for the next season; but it’s just not possible for the average to above average player now. Those potential moments are now a pipe dream for most.

It’s supposed to be less of a commitment than raiding. Meeting new people, laughing, living your class fantasy, bringing unique utility and showcasing your knowledge of your rotation/class; slowly progressing your character to become stronger, BUT; having fun ALWAYS came first.

But now even as a tank/healer main, I spend 20-30 minutes to get invited to a key of my level. The gatekeeping is absurd. I even have a 630ish Prot Pally (the current meta tank at the time of this post) with a good IO score, and still not getting invited to anything above an +8. I’d rather boot up Marvel Rivals Competitive and be on in less than <5 min.

I understand you want content to scale and for some reason want to push the competitive scene. It’ll never work… but cool, you do you. Just save that for the people pushing 20+ keys, not 80% of your player base or people with normal lives. Look at the general speed-running community. The sweats will always find a way to sweat, no need to make the sweatshop for them at the cost of the players. The catering to the top 0.0001% of players is sickening and breeds resentment from the everyday person. A trivial slip up from 1 person in 35 minutes shouldn’t guarantee a bricked key, but here we are.

Just got done with a +8 MoTS key, usually heal, but tried out tanking after a break, went fine. Fellow Mistweaver did fine, but all the DPS stood in the last boss swirlies and got one shot. So, me and the healer killed the boss together after fighting it and its little buddies for 5+ min straight. I don’t care, it was goofy, but me and my fellow monk felt like gods. I was ready to laugh it off and be on my way, they then ALL proceeded to flame the healer for not healing, calling them names, slurs, and everything a now-typical WoW player would do. I defended the healer but it still left me with a bad taste in my mouth.

For reference, if the same situation happened in FFXIV, everyone would’ve made light of the situation, and we could’ve even exchanged BattleNet IDs and became friends! It’s a nice thought from a wholesome standpoint, but to translate in Blizzard language: 3 more people I lost as potential friends that would keep me paying and subscribed to the game. But no, immediate hostility.

To say I’m utterly disgusted with this toxic player-base and community would be an understatement, and YOU breeded it, Blizzard. I will never blame another player for your shortcomings. Swirlie-standing or not, mistakes happen, we are human. Don’t get me wrong, I’m a filthy Moon Guard RPer, I don’t mean all aspects of the game and subcommunities of it, I strictly mean anything remotely competitive like M+.

I want this game to succeed and do well, I grew up with it since 2005. It has impacted me in more way than I can describe in a single forum post, but it is NOT the same game I grew up with. Dragonflight as an artistic expansion, and mythic+ seasons 3+4 were absolutely amazing and the best I remember this game since the old days. But with not being heard time after time, I just can’t do it anymore. I haven’t had fun in weeks.

I know Blizz is hurting with Marvel Rivals and PoE2, but once Riot releases their MMO, maybe then we’ll get change. Probably not, because humility is the #1 thing lacking at this company. They’re always right, we’re always wrong.

Thank you all so much for reading. I love and cherish each one of you, I just hate that the environment we meet drives us apart from the get-go.

<3 Tandao

To address all the guaranteed negative replies coming my way.

  • No, I’m not a terrible player, but I’m no Yoda. I tank/heal and am roughly 630+ ilvl and 2600+ on my toons. I like watching high key runs in my free time. It’s like watching football, sure I could never do it, but I like watching. It doesn’t mean every gym near me should be catered to football players.
  • No I’m not going to look up top MDI strats of how to run a key, I have a life. Same with 400 addons/weakauras.
  • Yes, I know those two contradict each other, it shouldn’t have to come to that to complete a key at this point, much less on time. I’ve done approx 11 keys this week, only completed two, overtime. Most DPS ragequit, some DCs.
  • No I’m not going to chase the meta to push keys, the highest keys I’ll probably ever do is a 13. I like the classes I play. Unfortunately, even I as a meta-denier can feel the difference between specs.
  • Yes, I know I can opt out of M+, and I will now. But if WoW is a buffet, I want a little of this, a little of that. It’s what makes it immersive, fun and cozy. Just like my character in RP grows, so too I want it to grow in dungeons.
  • “Just unsub bro” Unfortunately I was riding the high of Dragonflight and was promised by Blizzcon that WoW was only going to get better, so I have like 9 months of sub time to go.
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How is it toxic to pick a Paladin with higher IO, better item level, and more timed dungeons? That’s not toxic it’s just logical.

Also, you’re complaining about not getting into groups, but you’re playing one of the most populated DPS specs: Retribution Paladin. :smiley:

If you want to increase your chances of getting into keys, you might want to try a less-populated class, like Rogue or Monk. Those two tend to have better odds.

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You are either the unluckiest tank on your continent, or you are lying. I am yet to see 20 seconds in queue for tanking.

A slip up that causes a wipe isn’t trivial. A singular death (unless Tyrannic bossfight) rarely causes a bricked key.

I don’t know what kind of friends do you have, but I would rather those 3 players be permanently banned if they flame another player for their own shortcomings.

Hold on, are blaming Blizzard for toxicity arising from poor gameplay? That is… Wow. I am not even mad, that is amazing.
If only Blizzard haven’t made the dinosaurs extinct, I would have a T-Rex as a pet right now. Thanks, Blizzard…

I have removed all my addons since SL S2. I have all Keystone Master achievements. You don’t need addons.

I also very rarely not finish a key (less than 5%) and maybe half of the high (8+) keys are over-time. There’s no shame in that.

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I said it wasnt my original post … please read what is stated ok.

I also said dont flame ME ok its from some american guy on oceanic servers each answer you nroke the rant down for looms as if its directed at me.

im the messenger not the guy who has the problem…

I copy pasted it to share to see if others thought like this.

Seriously i said right at the beginning i wasnt the og poster…

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I dont think theres shame in completing any key after its time as long as your learning and getting better thats what matters also enjoying the game too.

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It doesn’t matter if you didn’t start this thread, you have commented on it.

Nobody is flaming you. I have addressed your points that you have raised.

  • Just because you state that, it doesn’t make you immune to critique
  • From that post, it’s clearly visible that you have problems with this season.

Completely irrelevant.

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The question is a bit what you try to achieve when we aren’t able to respond on it.
And when there are statements in it with being Prot Paladin 630 ilvl having trouble getting in +8 keys, i start wondering about the whole post anyway.

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You posted on a discussion forum. People discussed. Not agreeing isn’t flaming - grow up.

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Again i didnt makevtnose points are tiu simple or somthing ?? I copied sombody elses replys to see what others had to say. Your literally saying i commented when i did not. I spmbody elses view from across the pond in america how and in what way is that me making a comment ?

Add to that you say im not immune to critique ? What exactly have i said myself thats critical exactly??

Its a shared message but you seem cruel kind of evil in your choice of wording bith of these traits are thise of abject cowards.

I can tell what you are by the fact you say i have an issue with somthing i dont even play… ive not done mythic since the end of df so yet again your dead wrong arnt you.

Dont pretend your replys are anything short of you trying to shame somone but i suppose sombody with your mentality would react that way.

Oh and what i said does matter who the hell are you to tell me what i say dosnt matter.

Your going on ignore bc your not worth trying to talk to your kind dont talk you cast aspertion and try to pull ppl down.

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Its how things are said that makes it flaming learn to read instead of just seeing the words. Btw your being ignored bc your a troll you may wanna take your own own advice and grow up whilst your learn to watch you damned mouth.

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Thats why i shared it the post you read wasnt made by me i simply copy pasted it.

It seems doing this confuses pl on the forums bc me telling them its not my post didnt get what i was saying across.

Its literally am American player griping about the current season on retail.

From the 3 replies ive had your the only one not going on the ignore list this speaks volumes over how the other 2 ppl think and categorise things.