Yea but without timer there would be no punishment, no way to do it fastest as posible, and no challenge, so why bother? Just take your 2 hours and finish it…
They proved why therr have to be timer.
They took 2 hours to finish +31, but they finished, should they receive +32 now?
I already responded to your assertion about timers:
The amount of people who will spend ages in an instance are in the very small minority.
Hellou? Try to not ignore most important part?
Hello? Realize I don’t care about key levels?
As far as I’m concerned, they should redesign the whole mythic+ system. It’s stupid. They should crank the difficulty up to the point that the boss will wipe the floor with you and that is the barrier, not a timer.
So why do u even reply to such thread? Timer and levels are core of whole m+.
Next time start with this sentence so i know i have to ignore your trolls atempts…
The thread is about timer in mythic plus. The timer is stupid. It’s simply them trying to diabloize the game.
Just because you cant finish it in time doesnt mean its stupid. Last reply, cya.
If you like diablofication so much, go play diablo 3. The mythic plus system is a knockoff from the greater rift system, built for an arpg. Not a mmo.
Then do not do them. They are tuned to be finished with success with people that know how to play their spec good/optimally depending on key level. 2h Karazan is not really fun versus 30-40 min high paced high APM run.
The question is why? Because it was way above group capabilities? Was the DPS to low? To many people died? Healer could not keep up, tank was to slow with tempo? Bad strategy? M+ is the end game content, capable of replacing even mythic raids - not everyone will progress far on the key level.
“High” keys like +15 aren’t intended to be cleared successfully by every player. Even good players can just do a +15 not in time for the weekly because it’s that hard given week. This isn’t guaranteed content.
There is zero reasons to run Normal/HC/M0 dungeons… well M0 if you are really fresh with gearing a toon but that’s one week after which you outgear M0. Then slowly move over the M+ levels, if you don’t know given dungeon watch a video, try a low level run and so on. Not every run will succeed but that’s the nature of it.
Well either they are just to get a better run logged or you are trying key level way above your capabilities. Just log your run, upload to warcraftlogs, check your percentile parse, then go to wowanalyzer and check what it tells you about your efficiency. If you have grey/green parse then likely you can substantially improve your performance.
World quests quickly become obsolete. Although you have to do the invasions stuff if upgrading cloak from scratch… it has an end though.
Did a mage before 8.3 and it wasn’t that much interesting. Nearly end of the expansion and on low M+ key levels people still don’t know the basic mechanics. Like people don’t understand charm mechanic in Shrine and often they kill them self on the duo-boss, not to mention using interrupts. When good players do +15 bad players are challenged by a +6.
Also optimizing a DPS performance was quite “hard” and time consuming. Getting rotation ironed out (wowanalyzer is helpful), then trying to fish for correct azerite traits without which the DPS won’t get anywhere close to purple or even high blue parses… If you want to play a good DPS you have to main it and spend a lot of time at perfecting it. And you won’t be boosted in high M+/HC unless guildies offer that level of help (or you pay boosters). But then you get the gear and still have to spend lots of time getting most of your spec.
Right now much less people play, and those that do are mostly higher tier players doing more challenging content, like every +15 in time for the mount. Low level content is kind of dead so you didn’t get runs not because people don’t want you - just that there is less people and those that are playing are also more picky.
And if you are swapping characters then likely you miss a lot of performance on every. If you want to be really good at M+ 10-15 then you will have to focus on one character (or be a top 0.1% of best players maining more than one class/spec).
Doing +15 in time for the mount isn’t high tier though. There’s a lot of trash players even in 15 keys. Just earlier TD I tried to do on, the paladin tank was all “HURDIHURR, HEALER WHAT R U DOING?” when he got instagibbed at the last boss, twice. First time he died to standing in the fire, second time he died to eating a second deadeye because for some reason he was going to soak a deadeye while having the debuff already? Idk. Then the hunter died to every cannon shot. The DH didn’t soak deadeye.
We got to the last boss with 13 min left, didn’t kill the boss before it depleted. Amazing. It’s like their brains had a meltdown when we reached the boss and they forgot how to play.
I’m with OP on this one. I like to take things at my own pace, and would prefer an increase in difficulty with each key level instead. And judging whether key would upgrade or downgrade could be done through wipe count like many have already suggested or a similar system.
Make me dodge stuff, figure stuff out, use my abilities in a new, creative way to defeat bosses. Don’t make me spam my buttons harder, hoping it will magically make the numbers above a foe’s head bigger. That’s neither fun, nor difficult.
And regarding the ‘without a timer people will just wait for CDs before every pull’ argument… really? Didn’t we go through this with Torghast timers already? First, if that’s how people want to play the game they spend their hard-earned money on, let them. If that’s how they want to play, I don’t care. Second, who has the kind of time or patience to wait 10 minutes between trash pulls, honestly? I could play WoW all day every day if I wanted to, and even I don’t have the time for that.
By all means, keep a timer somewhere on the screen so people who enjoy speed running have their box ticked as well, but don’t make it consequential.
Than what am i suppose to do?
I am trying to love this game but people get p*ssed in groups, pvp is just a mess, raiding is what it is, basically over 5-7 hours to get possibly one or two random rng gear and again depending if you get accepted and you are useful.
Because not only do you have sticky trash, you have znoth minions and you need to fill the trash meter full while avoiding trash becoming buffed or start to blow up.
Some people just have a big a** egos and can’t handle small mistakes, its purely that and it kills motivation to become better, usually its the opposite but people are different.
They actually don’t become obsolete because you need nylotha tokens for corruption abilities and essences for the neck.
When you usually play wow, its mostly “you kill what comes on your way and you continue” but when mythics come, you are technically unprepared because blizzard never truely challanges people along the way step by step when you go to end game because its the same “kill and keep killing” you can say that smaller mythic+ like 1-6 teaches something, and it does, but the rules change every week and you are not sure how to handle them.
Also i appreciate any reccomended site that could help me along the way but, yet again, when the game design fails, you need third party systems to tell you, what you did wrong.
I gear new alt now
Got 430 ilvl since reaching cap(8h)
Biggest problems are currently 8.2 and 8.3 features
Leveling cape and getting essences(wont even mention corruptions) are big cockblocks especially since they increase essences price to 2500 echoes
If everyone is geared and xp you can wipe like crazy and still make time in a +15.
Err… you can easily get 460 in a week.
Are you trying to push 22s? You don’t need max corruption cloak for anything that’s not really high end content.
You don’t need 480 ilvl for anything, I’m doing 20s on my main without it, ilvl is not relevant this patch.
I played with a friend, he took a week to get rank 15 cloak plus buy some cores.
We did most 10s, now he’s sitting at 1.3k rIO without too much of an effort.
You can do dungeons with blue essences and low gear, gearing this patch is a joke.
… A week to get rank 15 cloak if he just started isn’t possible. He must have been collecting coalescing visions for quite some time if he could get to 15 in a week once he actually started doing visions.
Well, What can I say? He got it in a week.
Same week we did cloak quest, then some M+ and he does PvP on his own.
You can buy Vessels with echoes and repeat visions as much as you want.
They cost 1750 echoes. At the start you can’t even do any additional zones, which means you barely get any echoes out of doing visions. Then you’re limited in the amount of zones you can do for quite a while after that too, which hampers how much echoes you get from it too.
So, something isn’t adding up here. He must have collected currency for doing visions beforehand or you’re lying.
You just need to kill boss at first levels, then you need the pages.
He’s a paladin, viable class to solo easy objectives.
I’m not lying. He actually got it on one week.
There’s no way he got it in a week without collecting anything beforehand. Before you get elite extermination you can’t even do full clears reliably.
e: Checking him up, it definitely doens’t add up that he got it in one week, lol.