Naxx 2006! No such thing as fury prot xD. It's the fact of vanilla wow :D

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Every end game tank in vanilla wow basically were fully consumed, deep prot and aways secured def cap at 440, dual wielding tanks were basically non existent, that’s why there’s no 2006 vanilla record or footage of it.
In exception of mega hp and armor cap bear druids made a good off tank!

Hardcore guilds back then did the same thing which they do now, fully consumes and world buffs! For the reason that warrior tanks get 1 shot on crushing blow in AQ40 or Naxx. Remember when the main tanks died in vanilla? a fury warrior fully world buffed would still get squished almost instantly :o

Wearing a shield and having def cap is pretty much the necessity back then, missing one of the two would demolish the tank. That’s how it is back in the day.
In fact nobody even did BWL without a shield, but below def cap could tank BWL back then. But 15k hp druids with armor cap were an exceptional off tank.

Classic wow raids today have definitely been nerfed, in boss damage and boss hp. This is unfortunately undeniable… bosses today hit much less and has less hp.
But understand american activision developer has made and developed classic wow to be easier and more accessible to all players.

As seen in the vanilla videos, even if it’s just one dps doing 1.5k dps, it would be the same as having all of them doing 1.5k. vanilla tanks holds with shield slam. Deep prot w arms is the only viable tanking spec in naxx for warriors. Put on dual wield or take off def cap, and you wipe.

Enrage wouldn’t work with def cap. And one hand special would outdo dwish.
Shield slam is the highest threat single skill of the warrior, which will always out perform a fury prot wearing a shield or def cap.
"dw fury prot does work if the boss has little damage and has little crit dmg.
None of the bosses in naxx has little damage and little crit dmg.

So in conclusion, tanks still tank with shield and def cap. A setup which can never work with fury prot. Hence, it’s non existent in real vanilla sources and footages.

Talking about UBRS and ZG in vanilla though xD"

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Well of course, patch 1.12 is what Classic was based on, which included every change up to that point, but with the pace of release of raids mimicking back then. Meaning things ended up being easier.
Naxx will be a step up in difficulty, but the trickle-down effect of information sharing will still cause it to require much less experimentation to figure things out than it did back then.

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You realise that the video you’ve linked isn’t actually the MT getting hit right? That’s the Hateful Strike soaker getting hit, which is why he gets hit for a big chunk but not very often.

And you’re actually wrong, people DID fury prot tank. A lot of old fury warriors were expected to be fury-prot spec to take a boss incase the tank died. Even now, do you think fury prot tanks dual-wield constantly? No. My MT dual wields at the start of a fight to build threat and rage, he swaps to a shield when his threat is high enough that he wont lose aggro.

Tanks have to build more threat now than the old Vanilla tanks, because DPS are better prepared and are dealing more damage.

Classic isn’t easier than Vanilla, and the players aren’t exactly better either. What you need to understand about Vanilla raiding is that preparation is the key to success, it’s a pre-emptive style of gameplay rather than the re-active style of retail.

In Vanilla, people didn’t have time to prep. They didn’t know what was ahead of them and they didn’t have a multitude of different websites detailing every minor mechanic in the entire game. They also didn’t have easy ways of communicating.

Communication in of itself is a big factor. Discord is miles better than Ventrilo in every way possible, it’s like comparing a modern smart phone to a nokia flip phone.

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Fury Prot is just a talent spec. It has some advantages over Prot spec for tanking as it provides more threat since you do more damage and you attack faster. Have you actually looked at the warrior talent tree? Literally all of the useful tank talents in the Prot tree can be reached after putting 31 points in arms/fury trees.

As for Tanks dual wielding vs sword/shield:

Any good tank will be switching weapons throughout an encounter. Regardless of what their talents are.

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Literally this.

More knowledge makes it easier.

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Tanks should be looking at how much of a threat lead they have on logs if they are miles ahead of the DPS in threat there is no reason for them to duel Wield and deep prot would be way better since u may as well go deep prot and gear for mitigation but it all depends on the raid setup and how they perform but deep prot would be better in majority of cases

off tanks fury prot would be better for those taunt immune bosses.

440 defense is really not needed as a warrior anymore because sheild block makes you uncrushable and you cannot be crit when blocking it’s when tanks have bad rage management and do not use sheild block and get one shot is a sign of a bad tank. Plus fury prot doesn’t mean you should duel Wield all the time tanks that do this are just bad.

Deep prot has a harder rotation for threat and some tanks have tried it and failed because of wrong rotation as they spam sunder instead of pooling rage for sheild slams which has much higher threat and revenge and sheild blocks on cooldown

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It’s not just on patchwerk, it’s also every boss in Naxx that’s tanked only with a shield and defense capped. You won’t find any footage from 2005-2006 with a dual wield tanker. Because again, if you did put on dual wield or had less than cap in naxx or even aq40, you’d get crushed instantly. You can’t possibly tank naxx or aq40 in vanilla if you’re missing either def cap or a shield, you had to have both and every main tank of every high end guild in vanilla had def cap and a shield. The only off tank tank that could do it without def cap and a shield are druids who have 15k HP and armor cap.

In fact dual wield tanking were also non existent in the whole of the expansion tbc. Dual wield only became a thing in wotlk with deathknights, not even warriors.
Facts and real sources don’t lie. Dual wield tanking would only exist in UBRS, molten core or zul’gurub. And some bosses in BWL if the raid is overgeared and fully wbuffed and consumed.

Hardcore raiding guilds in naxx were also world buffed and fully consumed.
Also there were pro gamers doing 1-2k dps which it’s not any different from today’s top raiders. Paid gamers did naxx back then. Skill wise, there’s not much difference, there’s only 3-5 buttons to click.
Vanilla rotation was always simple, but sure there were many noobs who didn’t know how to play which never made it to naxx and never got to finish aq40.
But the Fact is there were multiple hardcore guilds and skilled players and as well as paid player on pro gamer guilds.

SO the excuse, “vanilla players didn’t know how to play” is perfectly invalidated by the fact of both hardcore guilds and paid professional guilds which is clearly seen in 2006 footages on youtube. You can clearly see they dps just like the world top raiders on classic today.

Please, just stop claiming players dual wielded with fury prot in vanilla 2006.
What you probably remember is UBRS or ZG not naxx or aq40.
Or have never played vanilla at all because you won’t even find any dw tanks on molten core old 05-06 footages. There’s not one source online back then with a dual wield tanker from retail vanilla, not even tbc until retail wotlk. If it were a thing at all it would have its source back then.

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Man, you have some world first guilds still using frost mages in Naxx, of all things. Stop spreading this false info. Vanilla players WERE a lot less knowledgeable and hardcore than we are, no matter what you would rather like to believe.

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Noone in this thread have claimed such a thing.

What you dont understand, is that 15 years of perfecting Vanilla on private servers, have given people more knowledge in what is actually needed.
Private servers was tuned harder than classic, and people were still dualwield tanking there.

No you wont find any dualwield tanks in vanilla, because people did not know it was a thing, i played in a world top 20 guild in 2005-2006 and believe me, people in the top guilds is nothing compared to what they are today.

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Non sense, they hardcore guilds and paid professional guilds were doing 1 to 2k dps as well. Don’t make it seem like 3 buttons to click is of any difficulty.

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It’s not about the buttons, it’s about the build and the strategy. People often used the wrong items, the wrong talents, and did NOT run full buffs. Sure, they did run some buffs, even world buffs sometimes, but not the full array of literally everything like we’re doing now. Heck, nowadays there’re some ppl who’re using Flasks of Distilled Wisdom as makeshift mana potions without a cooldown. I endeavor you to find me a video from 2006 of ANYBODY doing it.

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Warrior dual wield tanking never existed in vanilla and tbc for 1 simple reason. It’s not complicated. You’d get 1 shot without a shield and defense cap on higher tier raids.

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You’ve completely ignored every single word that I responded to you with and basically said “no no no, no dual wield tank, vanilla big difficult”.

You’ll have to forgive me for not wasting my time writing a detailed response to you with this as your track record.

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You may think that, but it doesnt make it true

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Facts speak through real sources, and opinions will always contradict itself.

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Then why do your sources contradict your “facts”? The videos you linked show no world buffs.

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Well I mean, it is generally true in TBC. But it’s definitely not true in Vanilla. People didn’t dual wield back in Vanilla because they were way worse than we are now in terms of knowledge. Much like ppl back then thought you needed full Fire Resistance for Ragnaros and Vaelastrasz on everyone, even in 1.10.

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Go look at the KT video. You won’t find any hardcore or professional paid raiding guilds back then using dual wield. That would be instant wipe.

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Are you trolling? we all know people didnt dualwield tank back then, and it’s been explained to you several times why.

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yuh, anyway we’ll see if naxx here will be legit.
I actually understand now some of the ease, it’s because we’re based on 1.12 and lots of changes up to there for sure, because I do remember even aq40 becoming easier back then at a later point.